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Yes, that is correct-- I used that as a lead in to explore the real sources of the collapse. I responded to your other points in the rest of the post. The fundamental question is why did the fSU and its satellites/allies collapse, and collapse when they did? There is either a Marxist analysis, which explains this in terms of internal class relations as impacted by international class relations, or there's..... conspiracy theory. I sure we both reject the latter and are more interested in the former in order to avoid a repeat. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dogan Gocmen" <dgn.g...@googlemail.com> To: "David Schanoes" <sartes...@earthlink.net> Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [Marxism] Come back Karl ________________________________________________ Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com