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Carroll Cox wrote That said, may I note that what radicals, marxist or otherwise, think of this bill is utterly irrelevant to anything. The bill's chances are not improved by the support of radicals, and it is not threatened by opposition from radicals. Refere nes to "The Left" in the United states are references to a non-existent entity. There are 10s of thousands (or more) of individual leftists but no coherent left that can have any impact on public affairs. -------------------------------------------------- Carroll, I don't agree at all. That is a give-up position and one I've noticed you have brought out many times. My own experience is that I (and many others, I am convinced) glean what I regard as significant information from various news sources and left lists, I send them out to a list mainly composed of acquaintances whom I could characterize as mainly reformist Democrats, ex-Democrats or independent in political orientation, who may not be reading periodicals beyond maybe the Nation, Huffington Post, Progressive or other 'liberal' information sources. Where I don't think it might be obvious to the reader, in my comments I try to connect the dots to show as clearly as I can why the system of capital accumulation can't produce anything but further obfuscation and growing contradiction in the set of circumstances at issue. It's becoming much easier to do this, the clearer that things appear to me, and as more people seem amenable to our point of view, and as almost patently outrageous events increasingly occur. I know that a number of other left friends, who read this and similar lists but may not contribute here, are doing the same, sending to liberal acquaintances who are experiencing obvious disconnects, whoever might seem reachable. I often get their mailings. I think we are relevant, and in some ways the main hope. If what we profess makes eminent sense to us. why should we not assume that it makes sense to others? I know that this is how I learn, and I'm positive, from seeing others' changing orientation, so do others. And this has always been so, but possibly more than ever now, when the nature of ruling class power is becoming ever more transparent and their legitimacy is more in question. Ralph ________________________________________________ Send list submissions to: [email protected] Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
