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OK, one last post each? Sure, that gives the slandering poseur Gorojovsky one more opportunity to fire off another round of spittle from that squirt gun he calls a brain. [I presume it's OK if I address the poseur Gorojovsky in the manner, and tone, in which he addresses others who don't exactly jump on his bandwagon of patriotism...and lies? I apologize if that's an unwarranted assumption and hope the list will bear with me]. I've have said concretely, with references to Marx and without sighs and references to great "crimes" [see above reference to bandwagons and patriotism], all that needs to be said regarding the complexity of Marx's notions of "progress" and "endorsement" of nationalism. Nestor, covering himself with the names Marx, Engels, Lenin Trotsky, like a naked man caught in the street covers himself with somebody else's jacket, adds nothing, not an iota to an understanding of the issues, of the real positions, and of the real difficulties in the positions expressed, considered, discussed, and finally adopted by Marx...and Engels. Nothing is concrete for our great slandering reverse telescoper, because there are no definite social relations of production to the actual course of history-- none, Bismarck is Lincoln, Prussia is the North, the North is national unity, Prussia is national unity, the North is good, ergo Prussia is good, Prussia is supported, nationalism is good, separation of the specificity of the workers' struggle from the struggle for "national unity" is bad. That's the sum total and meaning of the slanderer Gorojovsky's supposed Marxism. Now I am one to think that things said offlist should remain offlist. Apparently our slandering, whining, poseur Gorojovsky does not agree. He makes references to my menaces. In the interests of truth in advertising let me explain. In of our more recent go-rounds, around 11/27/09, the slandering whining Gorojovsky accused me of supporting, facilitating, enabling "mass murder," or "mass murderers" by imperialism due to a disagreement I expressed with his uncritical endorsement of nationalism [see above reference to bandwagons, patriotism, and lies]. I think his exact words were "the Leftist objective allies of our mass murderers". Les intervened to say the discussion should be offlist. I agreed and responded to our greater whining Oz offlist, cautioning him to never say anything electronically he would not say to my face, and that if he ever got to NYC, to please look me up [as I would him if I ever get to Argentina], so I could offer him the opportunity to say such things to my face. I don't think there's any doubt about what I meant, and intended by guaranteeing he wouldn't like my response. So I couldn't care less whether or not the whining slanderer Gorojovsky sets foot anywhere in the world. It's what he says and does that counts. He wants to sell "woof tickets"?-- accusing people of being enablers of mass murder--- well, I'm buying. And in cash. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Les Schaffer" <[email protected]> To: "David Schanoes" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 2:17 PM Subject: [Marxism] Asst. Moderator's Note (was A vial of poison ++) > ====================================================================== > Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > ====================================================================== > > On 1/17/2010 1:43 PM, Néstor Gorojovsky wrote: >> This is just for the record >> > > ok, so lets close this set of threads for now, i think Nestor has had > his say, anyone else, one last post each. > > Les > ________________________________________________ Send list submissions to: [email protected] Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
