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> /S. Artesian wrote/
>
> It would help if could define what you mean by imperialism. Are you using
> the terms as defined by Lenin?
>
> And semi-colonial. Exactly what constitutes a "semi-colonial" country.
>
> And last but not least. Capitalism is a mode of production. Is imperialism
> a different mode of production? If so, how is it different?

On modes of production, not going there. Sorry. It's about four levels 
of abstraction above where I usually hang out and I get dizzy at those 
altitudes.

On Lenin's definition, and what constitutes a "semi-colonial" country, 
I'm also giving that a miss insofar as it's not covered by what's below.

On what I mean by imperialism: I mean the domination of many poorer 
countries by richer and more powerful countries in today's world.

*  *  *

I agree with the main social, economic and political conclusions of 
Lenin and his friends about imperialism, but not necessarily on the 
specifics of his analysis of how it worked back then on the level of 
economic mechanisms.

As they were understood in the early 1920's these conclusions include:

a) Imperialism divides the world into a handful of exploiting nations 
and a big majority of exploited nations. The exploiting nations enjoy 
huge flows of superprofits.

b) These superprofits make it possible for the bourgeoisie to create a 
privileged strata of workers within the imperialist countries and to 
make the working class of those countries in their big majority 
privileged in comparison to the world working class as a whole. This is 
the material basis for opportunism in the labor movement as well as 
national chauvinism among workers of dominant nationalities in the 
imperialist countries.

c) Imperialism has exacerbated national oppression and strife.

d) the world system of states and political situation as a whole is 
shaped by the struggle of the imperialist nations against the USSR and 
what Lenin calls "the Soviet movement" which encompasses the national 
revolutionary movements.

e) There can be no socialist revolution in most of the imperialist 
countries until and unless they are deprived of imperialist superprofits.

*  *  *

This last point is likely to prove especially unfamiliar to comrades so 
I'll start my discussion of those points with where this one can be 
found. It is in M.N. Roy's supplementary theses on the national and 
colonial question which were adopted by the Second Congress of the 
Comintern with Lenin's explicit and very prominent support. Lenin 
presented the report of the commission that reviewed (and touched up) 
both his theses and Roy's.

One part of Roy's theses refers specifically to revolution being 
impossible in the European imperialist powers unless imperialist 
superprofits are "stopped up"; the United States is not mentioned.

My opinion is that the U.S. was not included in this judgment because of 
the Black question and the reality that a majority of the industrial 
working class at that time were immigrants. Roy had spent the previous 
decade or so in the U.S. and Mexico, so the omission wasn't simply due 
to a lacunae of the author.

The congress had heard under this agenda point substantial contributions 
on these two aspects of American reality, with the one on immigrants 
affirming that they "are in fact in the same position as a colonial 
population" and that this accounted for the extremely violent 
suppression of strikes in the United States. In other words, that the 
class struggle in the United States was intertwined with national questions.

*  *  *

In addition, there is a fair bit to update on those five points.

On point d), the post-WWII world showed even more clearly this tendency 
toward imperialist powers cohering around the struggle against the 
opposite "camp," facilitated by what emerged as a de-facto agreement or 
modus vivendi among the imperialists.

This imperialist cohesion was facilitated by the granting of formal 
independence to most colonial territories. That meant that these 
countries would be exploited, not exclusively by one monopolizing 
colonial power (like Britain or France), but by the cartel of all 
imperialist countries, and largely through the mechanisms of the world 
market (unequal exchange and usury, in addition to direct investment).

The country that most benefited from this was the United States, which 
had few direct colonies because it was a relative latecomer to the 
colonial game (its bourgeoisie had an immense contiguous land mass to 
bring under its sway first).

The more traditional powers, above all Britain, had to accede to sharing 
as they no longer had the resources to police their empires.

There was also an urgent need to counteract the natural alliance between 
the Soviets and national liberation movements, which in the judgment of 
the U.S. imperialists was best done by granting formal independence -- 
at least in the case of everyone else's colonies.

The disappearance of the USSR did not lead to a fundamental change in 
this configuration of the world imperialist system because what the USSR 
represented --its positive side-- was a contingent or battle front in 
the world struggle against imperialism.

This struggle was weakened and thrown into disarray by the collapse of 
"really existing socialism" but it did not end.

And history had shown there were tremendous obstacles to the further 
advance of the socialist revolution with that pre-1989 political 
configuration. Bureaucratic degeneration --what many of us call 
"Stalinism"-- not only made imperialist propaganda against socialism 
very believable; it also meant there was a permanent (and very powerful) 
fifth column inside the "world progressive movement" or whatever other 
terms one might choose.

Che's famous 1967 message to the peoples of the world through the 
Tricontinental unmasked this treachery decades before it finally 
culminated in the collapse of the USSR and the reintroduction of 
capitalism in China.

 From Che's message:

*  *  *

There is a sad reality: Vietnam — a nation representing the aspirations, 
the hopes of a whole world of forgotten peoples — is tragically alone. 
This nation must endure the furious attacks of U.S. technology, with 
practically no possibility of reprisals in the South and only some of 
defense in the North — but always alone.

The solidarity of all progressive forces of the world towards the people 
of Vietnam today is similar to the bitter irony of the plebeians coaxing 
on the gladiators in the Roman arena. It is not a matter of wishing 
success to the victim of aggression, but of sharing his fate; one must 
accompany him to his death or to victory.

When we analyze the lonely situation of the Vietnamese people, we are 
overcome by anguish at this illogical moment of humanity.

U.S. imperialism is guilty of aggression — its crimes are enormous and 
cover the whole world. We already know all that, gentlemen! But this 
guilt also applies to those who, when the time came for a definition, 
hesitated to make Vietnam an inviolable part of the socialist world; 
running, of course, the risks of a war on a global scale-but also 
forcing a decision upon imperialism. And the guilt also applies to those 
who maintain a war of abuse and snares — started quite some time ago by 
the representatives of the two greatest powers of the socialist camp.

We must ask ourselves, seeking an honest answer: is Vietnam isolated, or 
is it not? Is it not maintaining a dangerous equilibrium between the two 
quarrelling powers?

*  *  *

The two quarrelling powers being, of course, China and the USSR.

The two decades since the toppling of the Berlin Wall in 1989 have seen 
the emergence of two broad areas in open conflict with imperialism in 
the Third World.

One is in the Arab and Muslim world, which has taken on religious garb 
because Stalinism so thoroughly discredited Marxism and socialism.

The other is the current of the socialism of the twenty-first century, 
which has arisen in Latin America because of the example of the Cuban 
revolution, the progressive revelation of the real class character and 
content of national liberation as these processes have unfolded, and the 
patient and systematic work of Fidel especially in helping figures like 
Hugo Chavez and Evo Morales in deepening their understanding of 
imperialism and the real alternative to it.

Point c --increasing national strife-- should of course be understood as 
encompassing ethnic, religious and racial conflicts. The fascination of 
some leaderships of left groups with defining with razor-sharp precision 
what is a nation, what is a nationality, what is a national minority, as 
well as which struggles of oppressed peoples supposedly are regressive 
and who doesn't really fit at all, has been shown to be foolish and 
worse. These things are decided through social and political motion, as 
can be seen in the case of Bolivia or what is currently going on with 
Latinos in the United States.

Point b --privilege as the material basis of opportunism/reformism-- 
needs substantial updating to take into account a more acute expression 
of the same tendency. There has been a qualitative deepening of the 
phenomenon that I believe is very evident in the United States and to a 
significant degree in other imperialist countries. And that is the 
disappearance of the working class as a "class for itself," in other 
words, the disappearance of a self- and other-identified social and 
political movement of workers as such, as *workers.*

In the United States, this has been accompanied by making the "ethnics" 
--Irish, Italians, Poles, Jews, etc.-- white. Even as late as the 
1960's, the dominant nationality grouping was often defined as WASPs 
(White Anglo-Saxon Protestants). Today virtually no one would say that.

[This is just one aspect of a complex transformation: others included 
the legalization of unions; the creation of social security in the 
1930's; generational changes; changes in the volume and origin of the 
flows of immigrants; the transformation and proletarianization of the 
Black population and various other factors.]

Point A --the division of the world between oppressor and oppressed 
nations-- seems to be the one that S. Artesian has the hardest time 
with. I think his questions amount to what we call in Spanish "trying to 
block the sun with one finger."

For me the living conditions of masses of people is proof enough.

As for the economic intricacies of how it works, meta-analysis of 
whether it is a new mode of production, a new stage of capitalism, a new 
phase of the imperialist stage, and so on, I leave that to others.

Everything I've lived, seen and learned tells me that the essential 
analysis and approach worked out by Lenin and his friends and presented 
systematically at the second congress of the Comintern on the national 
and colonial question is correct; and that this question --the national 
question, or the question of the struggle against imperialist 
domination-- is the key, central question in the advance of the 
socialist revolution in the world I've lived in.

At the risk of oversimplifying, and with caveats in this regard, my 
point is:

THE STRUGGLE AGAINST IMPERIALISM BY WHAT LENIN CALLED 'NATIONAL 
REVOLUTIONARY MOVEMENTS' IS THE MAIN FRONT, THE MAIN EXPRESSION OF THE 
STRUGGLE AGAINST CAPITALISM, OF THE MOVEMENT TOWARDS SOCIALISM, IN THE 
WORLD TODAY.

This is not, and is not meant to be, a prescriptive statement of how 
things MUST be.

It is NOT deduced from some schema, analysis, discovery, new synthesis,
probing of the hidden meaning of things, or revelations of a Delphic 
oracle or a Lenin of our times.

It is, first and foremost, simply a *description* of the world in which 
I have lived.

For Marxists, of course, saying it is simply a "description" is an 
understatement, as we strive to understand the factors that made it so 
--historical, social, political and economic-- and its implications for 
ongoing struggles. If not prescriptive, the idea is at least indicative 
of the likeliest course of development at this time.

Having said that, let me add that I remain completely committed to the 
idea that political activities should be determined not by projections 
about the future but by what IS --illuminated, of course, by an 
understanding that goes beyond the surface appearance of things-- and 
especially that organization should be a function of political tasks, 
not some meta-historical narrative about what supposedly will be 
required to make a revolution or what the Bolsheviks had in 1917.

Joaquín

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