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I follow from afar the academic debates surrounding Kondratiev cycles, and efforts to prove -or deny -their existence. The whole subject of in-depth analysis of economic data from the "Core Capitalist economies" (US, England, France and Germany) spanning 1810-2010 in search of recurring, "long wave patterns" is both incredibly complex and yet absolutely fascinating. I must confess that I don't understand ANY of the stuff I've seen on the subject. It all centers on different mathematical models that seek to extract patterns from heaps and heaps of data. I read articles by supporters of the "gamma reduction method" which concluded that K-waves didn't exist. And then I read articles by supporters of the "spectral analysis method" ("spectral analysis" as I learnt, is a mathematical tool which has nothing to do with astro-physics). They seem to have conclusively demonstrated both the existence of 6-11 year Juglar (Business)Cycles, as well as the existence of Kondratiev (50 year) cycles, and Kitchener cycles (although they attribute to those a 17 year periodicity and not the usual 25 year, half-K periodicity) cycles. They also attempt to show "harmonics" between the business cycle and the K-cycle. They produce impressive-looking graphs that show trends in amalgamated economic data, and then launch into discussions of the statistical significance of variations and trends. Since I really couldn't tell if a reported trend is statistically significant or not, I must rest content with perusing such articles, understanding as much as I can, admiring the graphs (that really do show 50 or so year upswing and downswing long term trends) and going "Oh ! Wow ! Ah ha !" Now, if someone on this list could explain to me (the perfect layman), what "mathematical spectral analysis" really means, I'd be really grateful. ________________________________________________ Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com