On 11/28/20 10:49 PM, Shane Hopkinson wrote:
So it's a good example of the Malthusian bias of some of this degrowth stuff - straight numbers about the need to cut back - we are all living beyond our means - with no mention about social variables of class, race, gender or capitalism - all in technocratic guise

I've had these discussions with Shane on FB. When the topic of ecological limits is posed, he begins shouting "Malthusian" just like Pavlov's dogs reacted to a bell. Don't expect him to explain how the planet can survive as long as population is not factored in. Communism has no solution to groundwater exhaustion or fish depletion or climate change brought on by greenhouse gases. Most people like Matt Huber or Leigh Phillips who talk about a Green New Deal never consider the toll that is taken on the planet digging for the metals that go into batteries. Matthew Iglesias wrote a book calling for the USA to grow to a billion people. I am sure that Shane would find that book more to his liking.

https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/21449512/matt-yglesias-one-billion-americans

The case for more — many more — Americans

A conversation with Matthew Yglesias on families, the economy, global competition, and One Billion Americans.
I want six kids.

It is this, of all my various eccentricities, in which I feel most utterly alone when I listen to conversations about public policy. Progressive America no longer has much of a social script for people who want big families. Wanting lots of children is called selfish, stupid, fanatical. Religious conservatives seem to be America’s only interest group that reliably comes out in favor of people choosing to have big families — but I’m a polyamorous atheist lesbian co-raising my two kids with three other committed co-parents, and religious conservatives have no interest in building an America with families that look like mine.

It’s into this void that my colleague Matt Yglesias’s new book, One Billion Americans, most powerfully steps. It’s a book that asserts that it’s good, actually, when there are lots of people in the United States. It’s good for those people, who will be richer and live deeper, more diverse, more interesting lives. It’s good for our country, which, Yglesias argues, benefits from its large population when it tries to provide economic and political incentives for freedom and democracy. It will mean we don’t cede the future of the world to China, which is currently engaged in brutal ethnic repression and which has shredded earlier hopes that it might politically liberalize.



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