« Substantial majorities of American Jews respond positively to these types
of questions. Pew’s 2013 survey
<https://www.pewforum.org/2013/10/01/chapter-5-connection-with-and-attitudes
-towards-israel/> found that 69% of American Jews were somewhat (39%) or
very (30%) emotionally attached to Israel, while 31% were not very (22%) or
not at all (9%) attached. Eighty-seven percent of American Jews said that
caring about Israel is either essential (43%) or at least important (44%) to
what being Jewish means to them. (Elements that scored higher were
remembering the Holocaust, at 97%, and leading an ethical and moral life, at
94%. Statistically tied with Israel were working for justice and equality in
society, at 89%, and being intellectually curious, at 85%). In a similar
question on AJC’s 2020 survey, 59% of American Jews reported that being
connected to Israel was a very (29%) or somewhat (30%) important part of
their Jewish identity. »

 


Are 95% of Jews Really Zionists?


 <https://jewishcurrents.org/2020/10/29/> October 29, 2020 Posted by
<https://jewishcurrents.org/author/carolinemorganti/> Caroline Morganti

TWO WEEKS AGO, the writer Bari Weiss published an
<https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/stop-being-shocked> essay
in Tablet—her first piece of writing since her
<https://www.bariweiss.com/resignation-letter> resignation from the New York
Times opinion section—in which she complained that the left had become
hostile to American Jews. To support her point, she noted that “95% of Jews
. . . support the Jewish state.” This statistic is commonly repeated in
Jewish and mainstream media: This year, it’s been cited in
<https://forward.com/opinion/449280/we-can-we-must-show-up-as-zionists-for-b
lack-lives-matter/> several
<https://jewishweek.timesofisrael.com/another-kind-of-distancing-may-break-b
onds-with-israel/> opinion
<https://forward.com/opinion/450284/we-need-a-jewish-american-hamilton/>
pieces and in a peer-reviewed academic
<https://www.cambridge.org/core/services/aop-cambridge-core/content/view/114
41BB38BE35E31D50EFD0EAC9F455C/S0003055420000659a.pdf/distinctive_political_s
tatus_of_dissident_minorities.pdf> article. Last year, among
<https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/.premium-daniel-gordis-bizarre-patronizing-
ungrounded-misreading-of-u-s-jews-and-israel-1.8093752> various
<https://jewishweek.timesofisrael.com/misreading-american-jews-feelings-abou
t-israel/> other
<https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/14/opinion/college-israel-anti-semitism.htm
l> appearances, it showed up in a Wall Street Journal
<https://www.wsj.com/articles/we-stand-divided-review-a-mutual-misunderstand
ing-11567969684> book review, a New York Times
<https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/27/books/review/letters-to-the-editor.html>
letter to the editor, and a JTA
<https://www.jta.org/2020/03/15/opinion/the-jewish-case-for-president-donald
-trump> op-ed. 

The statistic originates from an August 2019
<https://news.gallup.com/opinion/polling-matters/265898/american-jews-politi
cs-israel.aspx> article by Gallup Senior Scientist Frank Newport. In
response to Donald Trump’s controversial comments that American Jewish
Democrats were being “disloyal” to Israel, Newport set out to examine Jews’
political views. Drawing on polling data from Gallup and other
organizations, he contended that Jews generally have more favorable views of
Israel than the broader American public, but nonetheless concluded that
“Trump’s actions in support of Israel to date have done little to shift
Jews’ [largely Democratic] political allegiance.” To support the former
point, he included an estimate that “95% of Jews have favorable views of
Israel.” 

However, as Newport noted in his article, this estimate was not based on a
representative survey of American Jews, which would be designed specifically
to capture the views of a niche American community. Instead, it was
aggregated from Gallup’s nationally representative samples of all Americans
over five years (2015–2019). In an email to Jewish Currents, Newport
confirmed his methodology for reaching the 95% figure: He identified 128
people who described their religion as “Jewish” in the broader studies and
used that subsample for his calculation. He estimated that the margin of
error for his calculation was between 7 and 10%, explaining, “With small
sample sizes, there is a significant margin of error on either side of the
point estimate, so [the calculations] are just that—estimates.”

Yet, the statistic is rarely described in its context as Newport’s
back-of-the-envelope estimate, based on only 128 Jewish-by-religion
respondents over five years. Instead, it is regularly repeated as a truism,
cited as evidence that American Jews who are more ambivalent about Israel
are an insignificantly small minority in the community. Soon after Newport
published his piece, Forward Opinion Editor Batya Ungar-Sargon
<https://twitter.com/bungarsargon/status/1167186370693095434> admonished
non-Jewish progressive leaders not to use the supposed 5% of “[a]nti-Zionist
Jews” as cover for movements that are unwelcoming to the 95% of Jews who
have favorable views toward Israel. Tablet senior writer Yair Rosenberg
<https://twitter.com/Yair_Rosenberg/status/1167092440823672834> encouraged
people to “get out of [their] Twitter bubbles.” 

The Newport calculation is just one of several statistics that Jewish
commentators frequently cite as evidence for pro-Israel consensus in the
Jewish community. Yet as this case shows, many journalists, pundits, and
even academics often misunderstand polling methodologies, resulting in
serious miscommunication of these results to the public. In Newport’s
figure, the size and composition of the sample is suspect. But even polls
that specifically sample American Jews, rather than Americans generally, can
have shortcomings due to the wording of their questions. Most surveys that
ask American Jews about Israel/Palestine implicitly assume that a
respondent’s relationship to Israel is generally positive and relatively
uncomplicated, while also operating within the
<https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/israel/2019-10-15/there-will-be-one
-state-solution> rapidly
<https://jewishcurrents.org/yavne-a-jewish-case-for-equality-in-israel-pales
tine/> fading framework of a conventional two-state solution. At the same
time, questions usually do not directly measure other values that American
Jews might hold, such as concern for democracy or Palestinian human rights.
Limitations and biases of existing polling—combined with miscommunication of
results in the press—make it easy for Jewish leaders to dismiss those who
dissent from the establishment consensus on Israel. In the process, the
public is deprived of a more accurate snapshot of trends in American Jewish
perspectives on the Jewish state. 

IN AN INTERVIEW with Jewish Currents, Matthew Boxer, an assistant research
professor at the Cohen Center for Modern Jewish Studies and Steinhardt
Social Research Institute at Brandeis University, identified several
problems with Newport’s 95% figure. Regarding the sample size of 128
respondents, Boxer explained, “It’s not a large enough sample that I would
feel particularly comfortable reporting estimates from it.”

Boxer also pointed to the fact that those 128 Jews came from a nationally
representative sample of Americans—rather than of American Jews
specifically—which could misrepresent Jews in a “million different ways.”
Most national surveys that ask for religious identification do not include “
<https://www.timesofisrael.com/rise-of-jews-of-no-religion-most-significant-
find-of-pew-study-says-director/> Jews of No Religion” (JNRs)—those who
consider themselves Jewish by culture or ethnicity but do not consider
Judaism their religious identity—a group which comprises approximately 22%
of American Jews, according to the 2013 Pew
<https://www.pewforum.org/2013/10/01/jewish-american-beliefs-attitudes-cultu
re-survey/> survey of American Jews. Since JNRs consistently express
significantly less attachment to Israel, their exclusion skews results. 

A subgroup of a nationally representative sample will also be less accurate
because Jews are distributed in the population differently than non-Jews.
For example, American Jews are much more likely to live in urban and coastal
areas than the typical American. But in a nationally representative sample,
“you’re not drawing disproportionately enough [from those urban locations]
to get the proportion of Jews who live in those places,” Boxer says.
According to Boxer, this urban–rural divide can have multiple effects on
accuracy when taking a subgroup from a nationally representative sample.
Since overall, urban Jews tend to be more liberal, it likely underrepresents
liberal Jews and overrepresents conservative Jews. (The exception to this is
religious Jews, who would likely be underrepresented in a nationally
representative sample because they tend to live in urban areas, but who also
tend to be more conservative.)

There have been a variety of studies that have sampled American Jews
specifically. The most comprehensive poll in recent years is the
aforementioned Pew 2013
<https://www.pewforum.org/2013/10/01/jewish-american-beliefs-attitudes-cultu
re-survey/> survey. The American Jewish Committee (AJC) also conducts
<https://www.ajc.org/news/survey2020> smaller
<https://www.ajc.org/news/survey2019> annual
<https://www.ajc.org/news/survey2018> surveys. And earlier this year, the
Ruderman Family Foundation released the largest
<https://www.timesofisrael.com/rather-than-drifting-away-over-two-thirds-of-
us-jews-feel-tie-to-israel-poll/> poll of American Jews since the 2013 Pew
poll. 

Questions about Israel in these polls often follow a pattern. While polls of
the general American public tend to ask about sentiment toward Israel in
more detached and/or purely political terms, asking if respondents have “
<https://news.gallup.com/poll/229199/americans-remain-staunchly-israel-corne
r.aspx> favorable” views toward Israel, or whether they
<https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/04/24/a-new-perspective-on-ameri
cans-views-of-israelis-and-palestinians/> sympathize more with Israel or the
Palestinians, most polls of American Jews ask how “
<https://www.pewforum.org/2013/10/01/chapter-5-connection-with-and-attitudes
-towards-israel/> emotionally attached,” “
<https://www.ajc.org/news/survey2020> connected,” or “
<https://www.jewishdatabank.org/databank/search-results/study/579> close”
respondents feel to Israel, or about the
<https://www.ajc.org/news/survey2019> importance of Israel to personal
Jewish identity. 

Substantial majorities of American Jews respond positively to these types of
questions. Pew’s 2013 survey
<https://www.pewforum.org/2013/10/01/chapter-5-connection-with-and-attitudes
-towards-israel/> found that 69% of American Jews were somewhat (39%) or
very (30%) emotionally attached to Israel, while 31% were not very (22%) or
not at all (9%) attached. Eighty-seven percent of American Jews said that
caring about Israel is either essential (43%) or at least important (44%) to
what being Jewish means to them. (Elements that scored higher were
remembering the Holocaust, at 97%, and leading an ethical and moral life, at
94%. Statistically tied with Israel were working for justice and equality in
society, at 89%, and being intellectually curious, at 85%). In a similar
question on AJC’s 2020 survey, 59% of American Jews reported that being
connected to Israel was a very (29%) or somewhat (30%) important part of
their Jewish identity.

But what about respondents who are highly critical of Israel, but for whom
their relationship with the country nonetheless comprises a significant part
of their Jewish engagement? Could questions about “closeness” to Israel
elicit confusion among respondents who might feel close on the basis of
lived experiences, personal relationships, or political engagement, but
simultaneously feel distant based on political alienation, or even deeply
held moral objections to Israeli policy? “It’s theoretically possible,”
Boxer said. “It’s an empirical question, and I’ve never seen anybody
actually test that.”

According to Dr. Dahlia Scheindlin, an international public opinion expert
and political consultant, “Any question that you ask in a survey will not be
the full explanation for the responses.” That doesn’t mean that the question
is bad, Scheindlin says: “It’s a natural limitation when you’re trying to
ask questions that are motivated by different factors.”

Both Scheindlin and Boxer said that asking follow-up questions could clarify
the results. But due to length constraints on most surveys, this is not
always possible.


RECENTLY,  some polls of American Jews have bucked the trend of focusing
only on “emotional attachment” and have directly asked more politically
laden questions about “pro-Israel” identification, starting with a survey
commissioned by the Jewish Electorate Institute (JEI, an affiliate of the
Jewish Democratic Council of America) in the fall of 2018. Conducted by the
Mellman Group, a polling firm run by Mark Mellman (now also the CEO of the
Democratic Majority for Israel PAC), the
<https://www.jewishelectorateinstitute.org/american-jews-remain-strongly-sup
portive-of-the-democratic-party/> poll of 800 American Jewish voters asked
respondents which of the following best described them: “Generally
pro-Israel and supportive of the current Israeli government’s policies”
(32%); “Generally pro-Israel but also critical of some of the current
Israeli government’s policies” (35%); Generally pro-Israel but also critical
of many of the current Israeli government’s policies” (24%); or “Generally
not pro-Israel” (3%).

In total, 92% of respondents chose one of the “generally pro-Israel”
options. There was also a fifth option for a respondent having “no opinion,”
which was not represented on the
<https://www.jewishelectorateinstitute.org/american-jews-remain-strongly-sup
portive-of-the-democratic-party/> graph in the JEI’s report of the poll, but
presumably numbers approximately 5%. The fact that the graph does not sum to
100% has led to mistakes when reporting on the poll, such as in a
<https://www.jta.org/2020/07/31/opinion/we-spoke-with-jewish-currents-about-
seth-rogen-young-jews-and-that-peter-beinart-essay> recent interview of
Jewish Currents Editor-in-Chief Arielle Angel by JTA Opinion Editor Laura E.
Adkins, in which Adkins claims that this poll reported that “97% of American
Jews are pro-Israel.” Presumably Adkins arrived at that figure by
subtracting the 3% “not pro-Israel” from 100%. (Mellman told Jewish Currents
that the “no opinion” option was not presented in the results for the sake
of “simplicity.”) Three later
<https://www.jewishelectorateinstitute.org/2020-national-survey-of-likely-je
wish-voters/> surveys commissioned by JEI, conducted by different polling
firms, showed similar results, with 88% (2019), 91% (February 2020), and 88%
(September 2020) of respondents choosing one of the “generally pro-Israel”
options. 

In December 2019, a Ruderman Family Foundation poll, also conducted by the
Mellman Group, asked this same question to a larger sample of American Jews.
Ruderman
<https://www.timesofisrael.com/rather-than-drifting-away-over-two-thirds-of-
us-jews-feel-tie-to-israel-poll/> called it “the most comprehensive survey
of the Jewish community in the United States in recent years, and one of the
largest ever.” (The sample size was 2,500 and the margin of error was 1.96%,
compared to a 3,475 sample size and 3.0% margin of error in the highly
regarded Pew poll.) Unlike the JEI poll, this poll sampled all American
Jews, rather than Jewish voters specifically, and the results showed a
significant difference in the percentage of respondents who chose a
pro-Israel option. In the Ruderman poll, about 80% of the general sample of
American Jews chose pro-Israel options as opposed to the average of about
90% over the three JEI surveys of American Jewish voters. 

The pro-Israel
<https://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/80-percent-of-US-Jews-say-they-are-pro-Israe
l-study-finds-616479> answers in the Ruderman poll included a relatively
even split of those who were supportive (23%), critical of some (28%), and
critical of many (29%) Israeli policies. Six percent were “generally not
pro-Israel,” and 14% did not have a view. Mellman said that the differences
in the sample of American Jewish voters versus American Jews more broadly
likely accounts for this gap between the JEI results and Ruderman results:
“As with all voters, Jewish voters skew a little bit older, a little bit
better educated, and obviously, more politically interested than the average
Jew.”

Yet, as in other polls, the wording of the question could skew results,
especially since the meaning of the term “pro-Israel” has
<https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2008/05/what-does-it-mean-to-be-pro-isr
ael.html> long been subject to debate. Someone who is critical of Israeli
policies but ambivalent about the label “pro-Israel” might choose “Generally
pro-Israel but also critical of some of the current Israeli government’s
policies,” since it might be the option that most closely reflects their
overall opinion. But they will still be lumped into results that count how
many American Jews are “pro-Israel.”

“Push-polling is when you design the questions in such a way in order to
convey to your respondent that there is a right answer and you must select
it . . . A question like this isn’t quite [push-polling], but it’s adjacent
to it,” Boxer said of the question. He believes that there was a measure of
“social desirability bias” affecting the answers, a term which describes the
tendency of respondents to adhere to socially accepted opinions when
answering questions. “[I]n the Jewish community, it is just expected of us
that we are going to be more pro-Israel. Even more pro-Israel than most of
us already are,” he said.

Boxer also pointed to the “unbalanced” nature of the answers: “You can be
pro-Israel in this way, and you can be pro-Israel in that way, and you can
be pro-Israel in the other way. But there’s only really one aspect to being
not pro-Israel,” he said. “It’s nuanced a little bit on the pro-Israel side.
Not enough, really, but there’s some effort there. There’s no effort on the
other side.”

Mellman, for his part, responded that since the percentage of people
identifying as “not pro-Israel” was so small, it would not make sense to
create more granular categories. He also questioned how one would phrase
multiple “not pro-Israel” options: “‘Not pro-Israel and not supportive of
Israel’s policies’? It wouldn’t make any sense. [Or] ‘I’m not pro-Israel but
I support many of Israel’s policies?’ That seems like a very,
infinitesimally small number of people. ‘I’m not pro-Israel but I’m
critical’ . . . it’s either crazy or not really different.”

Some surveys ask respondents their opinions about concrete policy, which
might escape the limitations of questions about vague emotional or political
identification. Pew’s 2013
<https://www.pewforum.org/2013/10/01/chapter-5-connection-with-and-attitudes
-towards-israel/> results found that most Jews think that “Israel and an
independent Palestinian state [could] coexist peacefully.” A plurality were
skeptical of Israeli settlement policy and didn’t think Israel was making a
sincere effort to make peace—but a large majority said the same about
Palestinian leadership. 

However, these policy questions have their shortcomings, too: Boxer says
what data we have on the actual knowledge level of American Jews about
Israel is not promising. “We have this situation where people don’t really
know very much, but have very strong opinions, partly fueled by not having
much information, and partly fueled by the fact that Israel is really
important to Jewish identity for lots of people,” he said. Scheindlin was
more optimistic about respondents’ level of familiarity with “the basic
ideas—two states, one state,” but stressed that “that’s a question about
polling in general: should you be asking policy questions to regular people
who don’t think about these things on a day-to-day basis?”

Another challenge of polling on policy is that question language changes
slowly; the desire to track opinion by repeating the same question year
after year comes into tension with shifting political realities. Currently,
polls overwhelmingly ask Israel/Palestine policy-based questions within a
paradigm of a two-state solution,  <https://www.ajc.org/news/survey2019>
such as, “As part of a peace agreement with the Palestinians, should Israel
be willing to dismantle all, some, or none of the Jewish settlements in the
West Bank?” There is no way to answer this question if a respondent prefers
a confederation or binational state, which would involve leaving some
settlements in place; choosing any of the options could be interpreted as
support for a position they don’t hold, while refusing to answer would
signal apathy or lack of knowledge. The survey instrument is simply unable
to capture their view. 

Polls by Scheindlin and Palestinian pollster Khalil Shikaki have
<https://www.pcpsr.org/en/node/731> asked Israelis and Palestinians their
support for different final status arrangements, including a single
democratic state and a confederation. “Is it worth testing alternative
solutions? Yes,” Scheindlin said. “Has it been tested in Israel? All the
time. Has it been tested in the US? Not as much.” Scheindlin was aware of
just one poll which asked Americans writ large about alternatives to the
two-state solution: The University of Maryland Critical Issues
<https://pomeps.org/changing-american-public-attitudes-on-israel-palestine-d
oes-it-matter-for-politics> poll has asked whether respondents think the US
should support a two-state solution (36% in 2019), a single democratic state
(33%), annexation without equal citizenship (12%), or the status quo (15%).
No polls that specifically sample American Jews have asked a similar
question. But Scheindlin thinks this might change as the political discourse
shifts: “I do think that in the coming years we will see American Jews be
asked about alternatives to the two-state solution.”

Just one question has come close. In 2018—the year Israel passed the
controversial
<https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/07/israel-nation-sta
te-law/565712/> nation-state law, which many critics said favored the
state’s Jewish character over its democracy—the AJC survey included a
question that it had never asked before: “Can Israel be both a Jewish state
and a democracy, and if not, which should it be?” Around two-thirds of
respondents (68%) answered yes, Israel could and should be both Jewish and
democratic. But about one-fifth (20%) of American Jews said, “No, it should
be a democracy.” (A further 7% said, “No, it should be a Jewish state,” and
4% had no opinion.)

In other words, when asked directly whether Israel can reconcile its
Jewishness and democracy, roughly 20% of American Jews (the margin of error
was plus or minus 3.9%) said that Israel cannot be both, and that it should
be a democratic state rather than a Jewish state—an answer that might be
considered a non- or anti-Zionist position by contemporary standards. Yet
this intriguing finding got little media attention, and AJC did not repeat
this question in 2019 or 2020 to see if it could be replicated. Kenneth
Bandler, AJC’s Director of Media Relations, told Jewish Currents that not
every question is repeated each year due to constraints on survey length.

Perhaps by accident, the AJC asked a question that allowed respondents to
express opinions outside the dominant view that Israel is, and should
forever remain, democratic and Jewish by conventional definitions. While
it’s important to avoid placing outsized importance on a single poll result,
it raises questions about fundamental assumptions regarding the Israel
politics of American Jews—and offered a glimpse of what insights become
visible when polls of the Jewish community step outside the traditional
framework. 


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