David Walters,
The problem in one instance here is not the use of ‘Israel’s’ as a term, it is to use the term ‘Israeli’ as a synonym for the State and for Jewish people in general. Yes, we must oppose the ambiguous language of sectarian Antisemitism, not because it is a conscious racism but because it tolerates actual racist Antisemitism. The Jewish People are historically an oppressed Nation unlike the other settler-colonial enterprises. A differentiation to be made between Jewish and Zionist is obligatory and yet many Jewish Marxists have been educated to ignore Antisemitism, as if it had disappeared since Jewish people were no longer the lowest rung of the working class. Remember Tulsa. In the Jewish political culture there are a number of tendencies that consider the Jewish People to be a People-Nation. It is not only the Zionist current that adopts this position, it is a common view of various tendencies such as; Orthodox Judaism Jewish Bundism Territorialism Automatism as well as the changed position of Bronstein/Trotsky in 1937 and Lenin Zionism does not consider a People-Nation as you claim, it identifies as a Nation-State. Our nationality is a Social Order in the hierarchy imbedded into Civil Society by capitalism and the State Church. Class is but one oppressed Social Order. There is a new revolutionary theory being developed. abraham ---- De : [email protected] De la part de David Walters Envoyé : 2 juin 2021 11:49 À : [email protected] Objet : Re: AW RE: [marxmail] Dear Noam Abraham, I don't know if I agree at all with what you are proposing or your definition. You state, in a contemporary fashion, and in line with Zionism that Jews are an "oppressed nation". I do agree that all political solidarity should be aimed at the Zionist state of Israel though calling it "Israel" really is the same thing such as "Israel's attempt to ethnically cleanse Jerusalem" or "Israel's attack on Gaze" clearly everyone with a working brain cell understands this. There is no "Jewish people". There's no entity, collective, nationality, etc. There was, IMO, primarily among, like my own ancestors in Eastern Europe, who spoke Yiddish and suffered under the Tsar's oppression exactly as any other nationality did. World of our Fathers by Irving Howe goes into and parses this Yiddish based nationality, never, ever, to be confused with what we all became, assimilated persons in what ever country we ended up before the Holocaust. So your neat dovetailing with Zionists of the "people-nation" is only one of solutions and not of basic understanding of 21st Century Jewish folks. I would agree, too, that the issue of actual pro-Palestinian but antisemitic verbiage and slogans needs to be confronted when it rears it's ugly head. David Walters -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#8939): https://groups.io/g/marxmail/message/8939 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/83266885/21656 -=-=- POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. #4 Do not exceed five posts a day. -=-=- Group Owner: [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/marxmail/leave/8674936/21656/1316126222/xyzzy [[email protected]] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
