Caught in the downward current | The EconomistMichael, when arguing: *
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*With no "real" analogy today to the Housing Bubble of 2002-2007, I lean towards Dean's view ...*
... are you not downplaying a major feature of the past fifty years or so, one that was on acute display in 2002-07 (and is again now): /overaccumulated capital that needs somewhere to circulate so as to restore profit//ability/, especially within non-productive financial circuits (such as real estate speculation)?

The tendency towards a decline in the rate of corporate profit - a symptom of capitalist crisis conditions - has been well documented (e.g. by Michael Roberts <https://thenextrecession.wordpress.com/>). An underlying causal factor is overaccumulated capital, especially emanating in recent years from China <https://cadtm.org/China-s-role-in-amplifying-Southern-Africa-s-extreme-uneven-development>. That means financiers search the globe for investment opportunities, sometimes - like here in South Africa now - earning high profits from financial investments (stock markets and bonds are giving formidable returns) in sharp contrast to underlying valorisation potential.

Actually, in South Africa, our firms were top of the charts for their 1970s-80s profits crash <https://ideas.repec.org/p/pra/mprapa/76165.html> - and they needed a 1994 change of government and surrender to 'globalisation' plus financial deregulation (and a commodity super-cycle) to at least briefly restore those rates. But speaking of husing, the South African economy proved to be a far more degenerate bubble site - from 1997-2008, rising 389% <https://monthlyreview.org/2010/06/01/south-africas-bubble-meets-boiling-urban-social-protest/> - than even the Irish could muster (prices up 193%) and the U.S. with its predatory banksters (prices in the Case-Shiller 10-cities were up 102%), according to /The Economist <https://www.economist.com/finance-and-economics/2009/03/19/caught-in-the-downward-current>./

So often under conditions of overaccumulated productive capital and financial speculation, the highest returns on investment aren't drawn from surplus value extraction, because new tricks of managing capitalist crisis have evolved - much more in the last 50 years than were possible during the 1930s - and indeed at least three broad strategies complement what Marx had shown would be the first reactions to falling profits, in the search for restored profits through more relative and absolute surplus value. The three strategies that help explain the U.S. housing bubble and much more are:

 * 1) /shifting/ overaccumulated capital around geographically (e.g.
   into housing) through creating ever more uneven development;
 * 2) /stalling/ its devaluation temporally through the buy-now
   pay-later credit system (e.g. home mortgages); and
 * 3) seeking ever more ingenious means of /stealing/ from both other
   capitalist circuits and the non-capitalist world of decommodified
   life, state services privatisation, exploitation of nature, triple
   roles for women, etc, i.e. accumulation by dispossession, a
   permanent primitive accumulation amplified by Big Data (and in the
   case of U.S. housing, theft via those "exploding-ARM"
   adjustable-rate-mortgages).

All this suggests that if the U.S. housing bubble was one site of displaced overaccumulated capital back then (preceded by the dot.com bubble and followed by many others, as QE kicked in), then the extension of that search into all sorts of other circuitries might be the analogy you're seeking?

Sometimes it strikes me that South Africa is the finest place to witness all this, as the economy rapidly deindustrialised since the 1990s (manufacturing/GDP went from 22 to 12%), while hosting the world's worst corporate crime rate, most overvalued stock market, most extreme relative capital flight, worst inequality, some of the worst forms of durable racism, one of the most super-exploitative capitalist patriarchies thanks partly to residual migrant labour, and nearly the very worst environmental degradation e.g. in the form of greenhouse gas emissions/GDP/capita.

Our capitalists and their state allies really do demonstrate how the recovery of corporate profitability has been possible through shifting, stalling and stealing. (Recently collected data on these are assembled here <https://www.cadtm.org/Measuring-Capital-s-Super-Exploitation-of-People-and-Nature-in-South-Africa>.)

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Oh, an autobio note since you raise it below: yes, after surviving undergrad at Swarthmore in the early 1980s, Dean went across to Michigan and did a proper econ doctorate, so he could better fight economists from the left, and more power to him, he's one of the very best I've ever encountered.

Um, I went down the road to Johns Hopkins to do an anti-econ doctorate in Marxist geography. Maybe that fork in the road helps explain the divergence in interpretation today.

When I first met you, Michael, at URPE's 50th b'day party in Amherst in 2018, I remember asking you - and everyone I could there - whether in retrospect working so hard to achieve at least minimal respectability /within /the economics profession was worth it... Or, instead of wasted time and effort facing the stultifying, repressive conditions that comrades (or even "canceled" Keynesians as Paul Krugman confessed <https://messaging-custom-newsletters.nytimes.com/template/oakv2?CCPAOptOut=true&campaign_id=116&emc=edit_pk_20210601&instance_id=31997&nl=paul-krugman&productCode=PK&regi_id=64675225&segment_id=59554&te=1&uri=nyt%3A%2F%2Fnewsletter%2F41b9ba2a-b998-5d36-9aa2-a79dbdcec326&user_id=8a3fce2ae25b5435f449ab64b4e3e880> he was, last month) suffer working within bourgeois-economic departments - with all the associated bogus professionalism and mathiness - it would have been better to work outside the formal discipline.

Better to be outside, it strikes me, finding infinite sites from which to delegitimise economists, perhaps? (Nearly everyone in my biased sample ruefully agreed with me, after, that is, a couple of beers at the end of the day).

Our own younger activist economists (in the Rethinking Economics For Africa movement) are faced with this choice now; here's <https://doi.org/10.29086/2519-5476/2020/sp33a6> one version of how it's playing out. Anyone else have ideas about interpreting the markets: from within, or without, the tyrannical economics discipline?

Keep strong,

Patrick (about to hop to a Department of Sociology, in fact, at the Univ of Johannesburg where radicals are thick on the ground)

On 7/3/2021 2:45 PM, Michael Meeropol wrote:
What is interesting about this discussion is that it highlights Dean's disagreement with "conventional wisdom" which saw that Great Recession as a "follow on" to the financial meltdown which required the intervention of TARP and the Fed turning on the spigot (very specifically actually buying Commercial Paper directly as well as more generalized QE).   If I read Dean right (and he's here to correct me of course) his point is that it was the HOUSING BUBBLE specifically that turned the financial meltdown into an (almost) depression ----

(In the period after the Stock Market crash of 1929, it was the wave of Bank failures in 1930 which the Fed failed to prevent that turned the "normal" financial crisis --- remember there had been a pretty significant one in 1921 from which the economy [not the farm sector] bounced back! --- into the Great Depression.)

The overhang from the housing bubble coupled with the Obama Administration's faillure to "go big" with the Recovery Act but merely (following Geithner et al) hit the "reset button" on the financial system that led to the ridiculously sluggish recovery and --- (IMHO) --- Trump's completely unpredictable election.

With no "real" analogy today to the Housing Bubble of 2002-2007 I lean towards Dean's view --- (if I have it right) ---

But it sure would be great to see Bitcoin investors take a bath!

[by the way --- Dean and Patrick are Swarthmore alums --- who survived a very non-radical econ department --- Dean of course was a Philosophy major which might have increased his immunity to neo-classical garbage!]

On Sat, Jul 3, 2021 at 8:15 AM Patrick Bond <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

    Dean's reply:

    On 7/3/2021 1:47 PM, Dean Baker wrote:

    Asset valuations are definitely very high, but they are not
    driving the economy, as they did in the 1990s and 00s. If markets
    were to plunge 20-30 percent, with some assets obviously falling
    much more, I don't see major economic consequences. Bitcoin
    investors would obviously be burned, but the economy could keep
    going just fine, with some patchwork to the financial system to
    limit the damage from failed lenders. (Yes, Patrick and I go way
    back)





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