On Mon, Oct 7, 2024 at 06:38 PM, <sartes...@earthlink.net> wrote: > > Check post 26079, where MG endorses the FIs position
Wrong. I endorsed Richard Fidler’s position which reflected the perspective of the Syriza left. I supported the Syriza left throughout 2015, as I showed last week. I don't recall the position of the FI but I certainly didn't support the policies of the Tsipras government, as is consistently alleged. Following is the full text of the message Artesian partially cited. In fact, no tendency on the Marxist left had the correct strategy and the Greek people re-elected Tsipras despite his having capitulated to the troika in blatant disregard of their referendum vote. Will our friend now finally stop obsessing about the Greek experience nearly a decade on? Marv Gandall ( https://groups.io/g/marxmail/message/26079?p=%2C%2C%2C20%2C0%2C0%2C0%3A%3ACreated%2C%2CI+apologize+for+the+mistaken+date.+It+was+inadvertent%2C20%2C1%2C0%2C101378147 ) 09/22/23 #26079 ( https://groups.io/g/marxmail/message/26079 ) On Fri, Sep 22, 2023 at 04:04 PM, ioannis aposperites wrote: > > > > Not correct! The exchange was *NOT* post festum, as it *did not* "occur" > in June 2015. > > > > Instead, it was three years before, dated on the *6th of June 2012. > * > > > > This exchange makes evident that the so-called Tsipras' "betrayal" was > clearly visible 3 year before, for anyone not blinded by reformist > utopianism. > > I apologize for the mistaken date. It was inadvertent. The same differences, however, remained throughout 2015, when Syriza formed the government. In looking at International Viewpoint articles from that tumultuous year, I came across an outstanding examination of that experience by our comrade Richard Fidler. It refreshed my memory of the controversies within the left concerning the Tsipras government, and why the FI’s support of Syriza was correct. Richard reflected the perspective of the Syriza left whose most prominent figures were Costas Lapavitsas, not a member of the party but elected to parliament on its list; Stethis Kouvelakis, a member of Syriza’s Central Committee, and Zoe Konstantopoulou, another leading member of Syriza and also the Speaker in the Greek Parliament who initiated the Truth Committee on Public Debt headed by Eric Toussaint and who later had a very public falling out with Tsipras. I don’t know whether Richard has since reconsidered but his views, but his piece - written in the aftermath of the government’s post-referendum capitulation to the troika - was not an apologia for the FI’s support of the party. " In the wake of the government’s acceptance of the bailout terms”, he wrote, "the focus will now be on what can be done in the coming weeks and months to fight the new austerity, and whether it is possible to re-imagine a strategy for a left government capable of resisting the country’s new neocolonial status and rebuilding a left alternative, whether as Syriza or in the form of some new regrouping of Syriza militants with other currents in the left and popular movements.” "But to understand what is possible at this stage, I think it is useful to begin with a look at the nature of Syriza and its early debates. The formation of Syriza, a new party albeit with deep roots in Greece’s political culture, was a major step forward in uniting the fragmented Greek left." https://internationalviewpoint.org/spip.php?article4176 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#32769): https://groups.io/g/marxmail/message/32769 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/108884342/21656 -=-=- POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. #4 Do not exceed five posts a day. -=-=- Group Owner: marxmail+ow...@groups.io Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/marxmail/leave/13617172/21656/1316126222/xyzzy [arch...@mail-archive.com] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
