On Sun, Oct 13, 2024 at 08:42 PM, Charlie wrote:

> 
> Marv says I "focus on the 'crisis of leadership' in both the USSR and
> China."

Beyond any doubt. Where the Trotskyists attribute the failure of the revolution 
in the USSR and China  primarily to the "betrayal" of the masses by the 
misleaders Stalin and Mao,  Charlie and his fellow Stalinists attribute the 
failure of the revolution in the USSR and China to the "betrayal" of the masses 
by the misleaders who succeeded them, Khrushchev and Deng.

The Trotskyists are unable to explain why the masses didn't react as expected 
to such misleadership betrayals by rising up  against Stalin and Mao and their 
successors, while the Stalinists are equally unable to explain why the masses 
didn't later rise up as expected against Khrushchev and Deng and their 
successors.

Both tendencies rely on a fundamentally idealist interpretation of history not 
dissimilar to great man theory favoured by bourgeois ideologues.  But on those 
occasions when the masses have turned revolutionary, it has typically been in 
response to an abrupt collapse of the system which can no longer attend to 
their most basic material needs, to deliver essential life-sustaining goods and 
services, often as a result of wartime-induced shortages and inflation. Then 
the masses are forced by necessity to take matters into their own hands and 
they turn to political parties and popular organizations which credibly offer a 
way out of the crisis. At such times, they rouse themselves to attend meetings 
and demonstrations and they take an intense interest in politics. In such 
revolutionary crises, leadership can be decisive as in Lenin's case, but not 
outside of such crises.

In normal times, when the conditions of existence are stable or improving, mass 
interest in politics wanes and is replaced by such narrower and more immediate 
concerns such as family, friends, jobs,  personal development and leisure 
activity.  Conditions may have started to turn down for the current political 
generation which is reflected in increased discontent from both left and right 
but it is still expressed in demands for reform of the system by its ruling 
class parties rather than its revolutionary overthrow.


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