As people ha e pointed out numerous times in these discussions, not calling for a vote for x does not prelude anyone from engaging with people who do vote for x. The very fact that that discussions keep coming up here indicates that such conversations are possible. In the real world I engage with people who vote Labour (in NZ) or who desperately want Harris to win in the US. I have never found that not having a track record of calling for a vote for those parties has ever made such conversations more difficult.
But also, the people calling for votes for those parties almost invariably godfather than saying it enables engagement. They argue that there is "more room" to build the left under these administrations. Personally, I find it gives those parties supporters a sense that the struggle is over for a while, that "we've had a victory". When the other lot are in people get more involved, but unfortunately the left rights out there and encourages them to vote x again . . . Comradely, John On Sun, 20 Oct 2024, 09:56 Mark Lause via groups.io, <markalause= gmail....@groups.io> wrote: > " Like his co-thinkers on this question, Artesian doesn't distinguish > between the leadership and the base of the party and, more exactly, > between the leadership and the left wing of the party currently represented > by the DSA." > > Again, that distinction has actually been discussed regularly and > pretending it has not been provides a further indication that the goal here > is not an honest analysis--to say nothing of a Marxist analysis. > > Much of it offers nothing different than you can't get from Joe > Scarborough every morning or any of your local ward-heelers at the nearest > bar. And, at least the latter, will buy you a drink while doing so. > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#33245): https://groups.io/g/marxmail/message/33245 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/108411255/21656 -=-=- POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. #4 Do not exceed five posts a day. -=-=- Group Owner: marxmail+ow...@groups.io Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/marxmail/leave/13617172/21656/1316126222/xyzzy [arch...@mail-archive.com] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
