Thousands attended a Palestine Festival of Literature event about “America and 
the War on Palestine” at the historic Riverside Church in New York Sunday, 
featuring conversations about U.S. complicity in Israeli human rights abuses. 
The literary festival, known as PalFest, aims to raise awareness of the 
Palestinian struggle through arts and letters. The acclaimed author Ta-Nehisi 
Coates moderated the conversations, including one featuring the Palestinian 
human rights attorney and scholar Noura Erakat. “This is about all of us,” says 
Erakat. “The fact that Palestinian children have been evaporated, beheaded, 
killed in NICU, their NICU system, rotted in NICU beds, right? And their 
parents have had to collect their flesh to weigh it in rice bags in order to 
bury them, right? At this point, there should have been mercy.”
“A Campaign of Genocide”: Noura Erakat Speaks to Ta-Nehisi Coates About 
Israel’s War on Gaza | Democracy Now!

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AMY GOODMAN: On Sunday here in New York City, more than 2,000 people packed the 
historic Riverside Church for a discussion about America and the war on 
Palestine. It was hosted by the Palestine Festival of Literature, or PalFest. 
The church, Riverside, where Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. gave his speech on 
April 4th, 1967, a year to the day before he was assassinated.
The event yesterday featured several speakers, including Palestinian human 
rights attorney Noura Erakat, a professor at Rutgers University, author of 
Justice for Some: Law and the Question of Palestine. Another of the panelists 
was Keeanga-Yamahtta Taylor, professor of African American studies at Princeton 
University and contributing writer at The New Yorker magazine. You can see our 
interview with professor Yamahtta Taylor last week at democracynow.org.

In a minute, we’ll hear from human rights attorney Noura Erakat. She was 
introduced by the moderator and author Ta-Nehisi Coates. His new book, The 
Message, in part about a visit he took to the occupied West Bank and Israel 
that was organized by members of PalFest, the sponsors of yesterday’s event. 
This is what he had to say.


TA-NEHISI COATES: When I think about being here, I think about ancestors. And I 
think it would be wrong if I didn’t, if we didn’t proceed without acknowledging 
that. First of all, I was informed when I came here that this is where Edward 
Said’s funeral was. And so it’s incredibly appropriate to be here in this 
moment.



The second thing is something that Yasmin and I talked about and have been 
talking about for a year, even when we did the other event before, was the fact 
that this was also the place where Martin Luther King stood up against the 
Vietnam War and was so courageous. And I want to acknowledge that in his time, 
when he did that, a lot of people did not applaud. I want to acknowledge that 
there were many people who he thought of as his allies who left him.



NOURA ERAKAT: Sounds familiar.



TA-NEHISI COATES: Yes, yes, yes, yes. That’s why I think it’s very appropriate, 
right?



KEEANGA-YAMAHTTA TAYLOR: Absolutely.



TA-NEHISI COATES: Who urged him to be silent as bombs were being dropped on 
helpless people. And he did not do that. And so, I think, in that spirit, 
that’s the spirit in which we proceed in our conversation.



KEEANGA-YAMAHTTA TAYLOR: Yes.



TA-NEHISI COATES: We’re going to talk a lot about theory today, not that theory 
is irrelevant, but I do think it is important for us to ground ourselves in the 
reality of what is going on right now.



And, Noura, if you would just take a moment for us and speak to the ongoing 
genocide, the pain, the life lost, frankly, the role that we as Americans play 
in that? If you would just take a moment for us just to ground us so that we 
are not forgetting, so that we are not, you know, all the way up here?



NOURA ERAKAT: Thank you. Thank you, Ta-Nehisi. Thank you, Keeanga and to this 
audience again. Thank you for coming to find sanctuary collectively.



I think that this was a concern that after more than a year of watching 
slaughter of babies — this is essentially and continues to be a war on children 
in a besieged territory where 50% of the population is children, so even before 
a bomb is dropped, it is a war on children — that it’s really easy to then 
pivot to the theoretical piece to make sense of it. We want to make sense of it 
at this stage. And what gets lost is what’s happening.



And so, I appreciated — full transparency: Ta-Nehisi asked me to do this just, 
you know, right before this event. So I thought that the proper way to do it 
was actually to read testimony from the ground from a colleague, from a 
colleague who — who in Gaza, who is recounting, as of 6 a.m. this morning. One 
of his colleagues woke up to 32 members of his family who were killed in 
Jabaliya. And Jabaliya is in the north, which is now under now an even tighter 
siege and a campaign of extermination and ethnic cleansing. What he writes upon 
waking up at 6 a.m. and finding his family slaughtered is that, quote, “I live 
meters away from them. It is a matter of luck. I wish I died with them. Neither 
my heart or mind can tolerate this, my uncle, his wife and three sons and 
grandsons and daughters all deleted.” He also lost his brother earlier in the 
year.



And as we’ve been paying attention in this moment, which is important to 
ground, we’re on day 400 of genocide, but we’re on day 36 of the siege of the 
north. And the siege of the north is a tightening of the siege that already 
existed, right? And it’s a siege that even predates the beginning of this 
campaign, this genocidal campaign. It’s a siege that’s been in place since 2006 
at the earliest, thinking about a land siege and a naval blockade. But 1993, if 
you go back to when Gaza is first circumscribed by barbed wire as a way to 
prepare for peace, the irony is that the preparation for peace was a program to 
isolate and separate the Gaza Strip from the rest of the question of Palestine 
and to call it the Palestinian statelet and never to leave the West Bank to 
negotiation, but it was done in the language of peace, that this doublespeak 
continues.



But now here we are, of this — and 36 days of this particular campaign. And we 
got the earliest indication of it on day six of this genocide, when there was 
an order to evacuate the north to below the Wadi Gaza line, right? The line 
which was the order, if you remember, when 1.1 million Palestinians — that’s 
more than half the population besieged — was ordered to leave the north to 
below the Wadi Gaza line. But note that that removal was a death sentence, as 
the World Health Organization called it a death sentence. How do you remove the 
immobile? How do you force the sick to travel? And those that did take the risk 
and travel were targeted on the humanitarian lines that they were given, 
indicating to us on day six that there would be no safe quarter, that this was 
a campaign of genocide. And it’s why Holocaust studies scholar Raz Segal, the 
very next day, published in Jewish Currents, “This is a textbook case of 
genocide,” right?



And it’s why 800 TWAIL scholars, Third World approaches to international law 
scholars — when people call me international law, you know, the constant 
question that I get is: How do you still believe in the law? And I’m like, I’m 
a TWAIL scholar. We never believed in it. We’ve been telling you it is a source 
and a site of oppression and colonial domination. My book tries to say that and 
tries to demonstrate how, despite this colonial structure, we can use it for 
emancipatory purposes, under which circumstances, right? Use it when it suits 
us. Abandon it when it doesn’t. Create new law when we can. It is a tool. It is 
not the word of God. It is not holy. It is subject to change and to change by 
us. So, those 800 TWAIL scholars who know that said, raising the alarm, this is 
genocide. This was all within the first week, all within the first week.



And now we’re hearing something known as the General’s Plan. The General’s 
Plan, which is the formula for exterminating the north, the 400,000 people 
total Palestinians left in the north, 100,000 particularly in the area now 
marked for ethnic cleansing. The General’s Plan is the brainchild of General 
Giora. What is his first name? Giora Eiland. Giora Eiland, who proposes this 
plan. Giora Eiland was also the architect of the Eiland Plan in the early 
2000s, which competed with Ariel Sharon’s plan for unilateral withdrawal and 
disengagement, which was the withdrawal of Israeli settlers and the withdrawal 
of military installations, but the maintenance of occupation of Gaza. That 
Eiland Plan in the early 2000s was to ethnically cleanse all of Gaza into the 
Sinai, right? So, the idea that he’s now — and by the way, Mada Masr — so, 
thanks to, you know, our partners at Mada Masr — have written, wrote 
beautifully and thoroughly about the Eiland Plan.



But you have the 1993 circumscription of Gaza in preparation for peace. You 
have the Eiland Plan in the year 2000. You have the evacuation order on October 
12th, which was called a death sentence. You have the calls that this is 
genocide since day seven. You have now the General’s Plan.



We have a year, over a year of bearing witness to what — you know, my job and 
other people’s job has been to illuminate what can’t be seen, what’s been 
obfuscated. They have illuminated it for us. At this point, it is not about us 
telling you what you have to read between the lines. It’s literally about what 
they don’t want to hear, not what is not being revealed, because they are 
telling us, they have shown us, it is evident, they are defending it. They call 
it self-defense, and they call the completion of the Nakba as the right to 
complete. So, it’s less obfuscation, right? And now it becomes more about it’s 
a battle of narrative: Who do you want to listen to?


AMY GOODMAN: Noura Erakat, professor at Rutgers University, author of Justice 
for Some: Law and the Question of Palestine, speaking Sunday here in New York 
at the historic Riverside Church at an event moderated by author Ta-Nehisi 
Coates. His new book, The Message. The event was hosted by the Palestine 
Festival of Literature. Also in that discussion, Keeanga-Yamahtta Taylor, 
Princeton University professor. To see our interview with her, go to 
democracynow.org. The next PalFest event, Palestine Festival of Literature, 
will be in held London November 20th to mark the republication of Edward Said’s 
book The Question of Palestine, followed by events in Detroit, Philadelphia and 
Minneapolis.






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