> On Dec 1, 2024, at 5:04 AM, hari kumar via groups.io 
> <[email protected]> wrote:
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> https://mlrg.online/politics/hovering-on-the-brink-of-fascism-what-happened-in-the-november-5th-2024-usa-elections/

I thought that was well worth reading.  Thanks for posting it.  I have a few 
comments.

1. Summarizing JR in their blog you concur that "what happened in the elections 
was a ‘defeat’ for the working class."  If a team stays home from a game, we'd 
say they forfeited the game not that they were defeated. The working class did 
not show up for this election, IMO, and therefore wasn't defeated. We have not 
yet lost anything that we had under Biden though that seems likely to be on the 
agenda next, and the US working class will either be defeated, as we were under 
Reagan and the New Democrats, or not. We don't yet know what forms it will take 
but the destruction of the administrative state, assaults on immigrant 
communities, and environmental protections seem to be good bets. The defeats 
will be televised as Trump victories in a reality TV saga that's already begun.

2. The article states "Future discussions over abstentionism in bourgeois 
elections – may or may not return."  The issue is not abstentionism in 
bourgeois elections, IMO, but the lack of an independent working-class voice in 
US elections and the corresponding process of welding working class 
organizations and activists into the democratic party coalition. Our recent 
forum, https://youtu.be/TWPll9erfP0, explored this issue and particularly the 
role that the US Democratic Party played in coopting the anti-Trump movement in 
2017 and directing it into the 2018 "mid-term" elections (where the US house is 
up for elections along with about 1/3 of the US Senate).

3. I thought sections 1 and 2 are particularly useful for people outside the US 
who are not currently marinating in this information.

4. The for-profit media and many on the left focus their analysis on the 
short-term issues of inflation, immigration, and migration rather than the 
"long waves" such as the slow death of the US neoliberal project, the decline 
of the white majority demographically every year, the contradictions of a US 
militarism that can no longer be paid for out of current US tax revenues, and 
an increasingly multi-polar world.

5. I think there is an enormous split in the US capitalist class on Trump and 
"America First." The proposed destruction of the administrative state, which 
has grown to mediate the intensifying contradictions in the US social order.  
The contradictions include promises to expel immigrants and meet the needs of 
the US economy, particularly agriculture and food processing, promises to cut 
taxes while reducing the national debt, promises to reduce the national debt 
when Trump's most important backer, the US financial industry, wants more of 
it, and the contradictions of appearing to dismantle neoliberalism while 
needing to maintain it - these are a few of the challenges that come to mind.

thanks, Mark



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