On Thu, Feb 5, 2026 at 05:57 PM, Mark Baugher wrote:

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>> On Feb 5, 2026, at 09:29, Charles via groups.io <charles1848@...> wrote:
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>> You can't defend your charge against Lenin
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> That's not true. In my previous note, I wrote that Lenin was wrong to
> expect that workers would control and shape Taylor's methods
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You also charged that "the notion of the productive forces as neutral led Lenin 
to support Taylorism" – Taylorism that you take as inevitably a tool of the 
capitalists. It was this charge to which I quoted Lenin's clear statement 
recognizing that Taylorist technique could be used by capitalists, but also by 
a socialist society.

In addition, you and then Esteban assert, "Taylorism is an example of a 
capitalist productive force that is useless to a post-capitalist system for the 
reasons Gramsci explained." I plead ignorance on this point, along with quite a 
few others on this list, so allusion to Gramsci's reasons means little; the 
actual reasons need to be laid out.


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