Well, I can't get a logon banner - any other way to find out OS?  The only
two sites we have trouble with so far are:

www.weather.com (208.134.241.155)
www.dejanews.com (208.10.192.128)

FWIW I cannot traceroute to them even from the firewall machine itself, but
Netscape can get to them just fine - does this info help??  <see following>
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(to show that everything works correctly)
[root@firewall /root]# traceroute -i ppp0 sunsite.unc.edu
traceroute to sunsite.unc.edu (152.2.254.81), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
 1  jade.aci.net (208.135.27.161)  193.766 ms  221.870 ms  237.437 ms
 2  cisco2501.asatte.com (208.135.27.65)  186.521 ms  183.976 ms  177.284 ms
 3  border5-serial2-3.Sacramento.mci.net (204.70.120.21)  286.806 ms 
204.094 ms  227.179 ms
 4  core2-fddi-0.Sacramento.mci.net (204.70.164.49)  196.797 ms  204.056 ms 
197.335 ms
 5  core4-hssi-6.SanFrancisco.mci.net (204.70.1.233)  176.911 ms  232.508 ms
 227.295 ms
 6  core7.SanFrancisco.mci.net (204.70.4.93)  443.158 ms  302.657 ms 
657.216 ms
 7  Hssi5-1-0.BR1.SFO1.alter.net (206.157.77.78)  206.682 ms  182.766 ms 
217.442 ms
 8  114.ATM3-0-0.XR2.SCL1.ALTER.NET (146.188.145.210)  206.625 ms  315.081
ms  187.390 ms
 9  100.ATM3-0-0.TR2.SCL1.ALTER.NET (146.188.145.246)  216.688 ms  201.338
ms  197.458 ms
10  107.ATM8-0-0.TR2.DCA1.ALTER.NET (146.188.136.225)  256.757 ms  291.108
ms  287.103 ms
11  198.ATM8-0-0.XR2.TCO1.ALTER.NET (146.188.161.185)  296.831 ms  251.223
ms  257.278 ms
12  * 192.ATM3-0-0.CR2.TCO1.ALTER.NET (146.188.160.21)  273.370 ms  290.832
ms
13  109.Hssi4-0.GW1.RDU1.Alter.Net (137.39.71.94)  256.900 ms *  302.856 ms
14  ncren-gw.customer.ALTER.NET (157.130.33.194)  306.533 ms  291.796 ms 
277.202 ms
15  rtp7-gw.ncren.net (128.109.70.245)  286.941 ms  261.440 ms *
16  unc-dmz.ncren.net (192.101.24.38)  292.225 ms  275.700 ms  273.020 ms
17  152.2.254.87 (152.2.254.87)  275.845 ms  284.965 ms *

(to show what happens at the problem sites)
[root@firewall /root]# traceroute -i ppp0 www.dejanews.com
traceroute: Warning: www.dejanews.com has multiple addresses; using
208.10.192.128
traceroute to www.dejanews.com (208.10.192.128), 30 hops max, 40 byte
packets
 1  jade.aci.net (208.135.27.161)  194.589 ms  191.799 ms  197.249 ms
 2  cisco2501.asatte.com (208.135.27.65)  196.745 ms  174.256 ms  167.515 ms
 3  border5-serial2-3.Sacramento.mci.net (204.70.120.21)  246.567 ms 
214.057 ms  237.389 ms
 4  * core2-fddi-0.Sacramento.mci.net (204.70.164.49)  493.571 ms  193.729
ms
 5  core1-hssi-3.Bloomington.mci.net (204.70.1.137)  376.850 ms  484.235 ms 
757.357 ms
 6  core2.Dallas.mci.net (204.70.4.69)  256.822 ms  223.000 ms  227.333 ms
 7  borderx1-fddi-1.Dallas.mci.net (204.70.114.52)  226.887 ms  361.688 ms 
237.423 ms
 8  smart-technologies.Dallas.mci.net (204.70.114.110)  446.888 ms  272.396
ms 247.291 ms
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[root@firewall /root]#


Ed Jaeger, CFO, Bohlender Graebener Corporation
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.bgcorp.com

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>You could just telnet to them and see if you get a login banner :-)
>
>       Nigel.
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