>>>>> "Eric" == Eric Firing <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

    Eric> John, All this brings to mind something I wanted to bring up
    Eric> anyway: we have a proliferation of backends, and occasional
    Eric> requests for more--are there any we can simply drop now, or
    Eric> soon?  For example, gd? And what are the prospects that
    Eric> several backends could be consolidated via cairo?  And/or
    Eric> via more extensive subclassing?

    Eric> I am worried that we are increasingly going to get into
    Eric> trouble with lack of up-to-date support for all these
    Eric> backends.  Major improvements sometimes depend on backend
    Eric> changes, and the more backends we have that lack active
    Eric> maintainers, the harder this gets; and the worse for users,
    Eric> as features work on one backend but break on another.

It's a concern, and I have no problem dropping some (gd is a good
example, it was really just a proof-of-concept backend to prove that
we could mix and match GUIs with pure image backends as I was
developing agg).  A number of backends are incomplete and get little
attention but do little harm either -- in my opinion they are
unsupported.  paint and emf is another example of a backend that noone uses
except for the authors.  I think almost noone uses gdk, gtk, cairo or
gtkcairo, but I hesitate to pull these because Steve Chaplin, the GTK
maintainer, wrote them, uses them, and has done a great job with GTK.

Ideally, I would like to see PS, SVG, Agg and [Tk|GTK|WX|Qt|FLTK]Agg
and no more.  But I know that other people feel differently.

Taking the long view, enthought's kiva/chaco uses the pdf drawing
model, which is a nice model and superior to the matplotlib GTK
model.  I've talked with Eric Jones many times about the desirability
of sharing a single low-level drawing model, probably based on
PDF/KIVA, that have backends for PS, SVG, PDF and one raster format
(eg Agg or Cairo).  But nothing has ever happened here because we both
have lots to do and a lot of code that depends on what is already in
place.

JDH


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