Maja, It may be a communication problem. Depending on how the Livevault/Commvault pricing works and how its being used they may using a more aggressive backup method than is needed for fairly static image data (maybe they are doing full backups more often than is needed). I suggest two things:
* Sit down with IT and discuss the backup scheme they are using and see if a less expensive scheme (using the same software) can be used that meets the end user risk management needs. * * Sit down with your director and discuss the value of the data to the organization and find out what his/her thoughts are on risk management in light of the continued growth of the collection. Just like in managing any collection the director will need to make trade-offs because of limited funding but they need to know what the trade offs are. In discussing risk you may want to consider: cost of re-scanning, loss of use (internal and external), and reputational risk (do we want to be known as the archives that lost all their images because of a hardware failure). Finally don't be surprised in this economic climate if the decision is to take increased risk or less growth over spending more money. Rich Rich Cherry Director of Operations Skirball Cultural Center 2701 N. Sepulveda Blvd. Los Angeles, CA 90049 Work: (310) 440-4777 Fax: (310) 440-4595 rcherry at skirball.org -----Original Message----- From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Maja Clark Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 1:41 PM To: mcn-l at mcn.edu Subject: [MCN-L] data storage & backup Hi All, Basic question, a survey really, how do you store & backup your data? Why I ask: Our museum's IT needs are remotely serviced from our foundation's offices (museum is in Hawaii, IT Dept is on the East Coast). Our IT Dept utilizes Commvault & Livevault, which I gather from our tech crew is pricey. We keep running out of server space as the volume of our image files grow. I meet with great resistance to requests for additional server space due to the cost of backup. I've suggested utilizing external hard drives to bridge the gap, but this is not a popular suggestion. My user-end non-techie perspective on this is: while Livevault/Commvault may be top-of-the-line services - what good are they to me if they're too expensive to allow expansion of server space? This is not a records management - get your users to delete their files more often - problem. These images are our institutional archives that will continue to grow. I've also been asked by IT to come up with a projected number of GB needed for growth over the next several years. Is it possible to come up with a realistic number? I attended MCN in 2006 and remember a session on bridging the gap between IT & administration. Perhaps the problem is just a communication one? I'm hoping to share some of your approaches and solutions with our IT staff. Many thanks, Maja Maja Clark Registrar, Shangri La Doris Duke Foundation for Islamic Art 4055 Papu Circle Honolulu, HI 96816 (808) 792-5506 www.shangrilahawaii.org -----Original Message----- From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of mcn-l-request at mcn.edu Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 10:00 AM To: mcn-l at mcn.edu Subject: mcn-l Digest, Vol 41, Issue 21 Send mcn-l mailing list submissions to mcn-l at mcn.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://toronto.mediatrope.com/mailman/listinfo/mcn-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to mcn-l-request at mcn.edu You can reach the person managing the list at mcn-l-owner at mcn.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of mcn-l digest..." Today's Topics: 1. question on gallery simulation software (Ilias Kyriazis) 2. Re: question on gallery simulation software (Perian Sully) 3. Re: Recommendations for photo management databases and software (John Bedard) 4. altera??o de endere?o (webmaster at mnarqueologia-ipmuseus.pt) 5. Re: Recommendations for photo management databases and software (Richard Anderson) 6. Re: Recommendations for photo management databases and software (Johnson, Peter) 7. Re: Recommendations for photo management databases andsoftware (Johnson, Peter) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 18:10:29 -0500 From: Ilias Kyriazis <[email protected]> Subject: [MCN-L] question on gallery simulation software To: mcn-l at mcn.edu Message-ID: <b6a2f7740902261510l24daef59w3a1b3a55e2e367d2 at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Dear all, I am a PhD student at Indiana University, working this semester with the Curator of Works on Paper at the University Art Museum on an art exhibition project. We have been wondering if there is some specific software out there used for exhibition design, to be handy, quite easy to learn, cheap, and that would not expect some great experience in 3D design. We are mostly thinking of a template that would simulate the museum gallery, where we could drag and move things to get some feeling of what the exhibition gallery would look like with the art works, painted walls, etc. included. I have been playing around with Google's SketchUp, but I would be interested in any software that you may be using, that could maybe be easier for curators to use when they lack the availability of an installation designer, and they just want to have a gallery simulating interface... Any feedback would be really appreciated! thank you in advance, Ilias Kyriazis -- Ilias Kyriazis, BMus, MLS Fulbright Alumnus PhD Student in Information Science School of Library and Information Science Indiana University, USA "Art is solving problems that cannot be formulated before they have been solved. The shaping of the question is part of the answer." Piet Hein ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 15:13:29 -0800 From: "Perian Sully" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [MCN-L] question on gallery simulation software To: "Museum Computer Network Listserv" <mcn-l at mcn.edu> Message-ID: <AD775DE5635C2042BF1DCB7EED36A83B6476DD at jlm-net.jlm.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hmm. I'm not an exhibition designer, but would Second Life be a good platform for this? I have seen it used for gallery mockups (and have done something similar myself for other purposes), but it does have the advantage of being fairly easy to learn. ~Perian Perian Sully Collections Information Manager Web Programs Strategist The Magnes Berkeley, CA -----Original Message----- From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ilias Kyriazis Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 3:10 PM To: mcn-l at mcn.edu Subject: [MCN-L] question on gallery simulation software Dear all, I am a PhD student at Indiana University, working this semester with the Curator of Works on Paper at the University Art Museum on an art exhibition project. We have been wondering if there is some specific software out there used for exhibition design, to be handy, quite easy to learn, cheap, and that would not expect some great experience in 3D design. We are mostly thinking of a template that would simulate the museum gallery, where we could drag and move things to get some feeling of what the exhibition gallery would look like with the art works, painted walls, etc. included. I have been playing around with Google's SketchUp, but I would be interested in any software that you may be using, that could maybe be easier for curators to use when they lack the availability of an installation designer, and they just want to have a gallery simulating interface... Any feedback would be really appreciated! thank you in advance, Ilias Kyriazis -- Ilias Kyriazis, BMus, MLS Fulbright Alumnus PhD Student in Information Science School of Library and Information Science Indiana University, USA "Art is solving problems that cannot be formulated before they have been solved. The shaping of the question is part of the answer." Piet Hein _______________________________________________ You are currently subscribed to mcn-l, the listserv of the Museum Computer Network (http://www.mcn.edu) To post to this list, send messages to: mcn-l at mcn.edu To unsubscribe or change mcn-l delivery options visit: http://toronto.mediatrope.com/mailman/listinfo/mcn-l The MCN-L archives can be found at: http://toronto.mediatrope.com/pipermail/mcn-l/ ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 08:10:21 -0600 From: "John Bedard" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Recommendations for photo management databases and software To: "Museum Computer Network Listserv" <mcn-l at mcn.edu> Message-ID: <49A79FEC.50A4.0031.0 at artsmia.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Peter, We use Media Bin, a full DAM system. It has really improved productivity and is probably the most used system in the Museum. It certainly costs more than some systems, but I think you will eventually end up moving into a full DAMS in the future, so you may want to consider eliminating intermediate solutions. And we moved from the images stored on a server right to the full DAMS Here is a link to a case study they did on us http://www.interwoven.com/media/collateral/casestudy/cs_mia_singlepgs_WE B.pdf I think that they also still have available a webcast that I did with them about a year after we went live. Feel free to contact me if you would like to learn more about our experience. John >>> "Johnson, Peter" <pjohnson at skirball.org> 2/26/2009 1:45 PM >>> Colleagues, We are a small cultural center and museum, and we are taking preliminary steps toward creating a database to manage our digital photography, most of which currently resides on individual hard-drives or on the shared network. I would be interested in hearing from you regarding software and vendors you do or don't recommend, and why. (I'm well versed in the issues surrounding the retention and preservation of digital objects, btw.) We don't have a lot of money to throw at a solution, but we want to do the best job we can given those restraints, so I'm particularly interested in solutions that will provide the most bang for our limited means. Also, this is purely an in-house project -- we do not foresee sharing our photo resources outside the organization. If you would be so kind as to share your expertise, please reply privately to this e-mail address, and I thank you very much in advance. Best regards, Peter Peter Johnson Project Manager for Records, Documents & Images Skirball Cultural Center 2701 N. Sepulveda Blvd. Los Angeles, CA 90049 310-440-4707 pjohnson at skirball.org _______________________________________________ You are currently subscribed to mcn-l, the listserv of the Museum Computer Network (http://www.mcn.edu) To post to this list, send messages to: mcn-l at mcn.edu To unsubscribe or change mcn-l delivery options visit: http://toronto.mediatrope.com/mailman/listinfo/mcn-l The MCN-L archives can be found at: http://toronto.mediatrope.com/pipermail/mcn-l/ ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 09:12:37 -0500 From: [email protected] Subject: [MCN-L] altera??o de endere?o To: mcn-l at mcn.edu Message-ID: <a0fe1a5699a34760b96b54c0555b49ca at 8ba2d11db09b475b9aec5a92ad2cd76e> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Este endere?o foi alterado. Por favor consulte www.mnarqueologia-ipmuseus.pt ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 09:54:55 -0500 From: Richard Anderson <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Recommendations for photo management databases and software To: Museum Computer Network Listserv <mcn-l at mcn.edu> Message-ID: <D28D83A1-1B76-4EEF-A4E0-2815EFF87008 at rnaphoto.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes On Feb 27, 2009, at 9:10 AM, John Bedard wrote: > Peter, > > We use Media Bin, a full DAM system. It has really improved > productivity and is probably the most used system in the Museum. It > certainly costs more than some systems, but I think you will > eventually end up moving into a full DAMS in the future, so you may > want to consider eliminating intermediate solutions. And we moved > from the images stored on a server right to the full DAMS > > Here is a link to a case study they did on us > > http://www.interwoven.com/media/collateral/casestudy/cs_mia_singlepgs_WE B.pdf > > I think that they also still have available a webcast that I did with > them about a year after we went live. > > Feel free to contact me if you would like to learn more about our > experience. > > John > John, Does Media Bin read and write XMP/XML metadata? Can it read DNG files? Thanks, Richard Anderson ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 10:22:50 -0800 From: "Johnson, Peter" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Recommendations for photo management databases and software To: "Museum Computer Network Listserv" <mcn-l at mcn.edu> Message-ID: <2A6CDDE8F1CB5D428E7CA6014794A58201EA4CE7 at scc-mail.skirball.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Many thanks John, I will check it out. Best, Peter -----Original Message----- From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Bedard Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 6:10 AM To: Museum Computer Network Listserv Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Recommendations for photo management databasesand software Peter, We use Media Bin, a full DAM system. It has really improved productivity and is probably the most used system in the Museum. It certainly costs more than some systems, but I think you will eventually end up moving into a full DAMS in the future, so you may want to consider eliminating intermediate solutions. And we moved from the images stored on a server right to the full DAMS Here is a link to a case study they did on us http://www.interwoven.com/media/collateral/casestudy/cs_mia_singlepgs_WE B.pdf I think that they also still have available a webcast that I did with them about a year after we went live. Feel free to contact me if you would like to learn more about our experience. John >>> "Johnson, Peter" <pjohnson at skirball.org> 2/26/2009 1:45 PM >>> Colleagues, We are a small cultural center and museum, and we are taking preliminary steps toward creating a database to manage our digital photography, most of which currently resides on individual hard-drives or on the shared network. I would be interested in hearing from you regarding software and vendors you do or don't recommend, and why. (I'm well versed in the issues surrounding the retention and preservation of digital objects, btw.) We don't have a lot of money to throw at a solution, but we want to do the best job we can given those restraints, so I'm particularly interested in solutions that will provide the most bang for our limited means. Also, this is purely an in-house project -- we do not foresee sharing our photo resources outside the organization. If you would be so kind as to share your expertise, please reply privately to this e-mail address, and I thank you very much in advance. Best regards, Peter Peter Johnson Project Manager for Records, Documents & Images Skirball Cultural Center 2701 N. Sepulveda Blvd. Los Angeles, CA 90049 310-440-4707 pjohnson at skirball.org _______________________________________________ You are currently subscribed to mcn-l, the listserv of the Museum Computer Network (http://www.mcn.edu) To post to this list, send messages to: mcn-l at mcn.edu To unsubscribe or change mcn-l delivery options visit: http://toronto.mediatrope.com/mailman/listinfo/mcn-l The MCN-L archives can be found at: http://toronto.mediatrope.com/pipermail/mcn-l/ _______________________________________________ You are currently subscribed to mcn-l, the listserv of the Museum Computer Network (http://www.mcn.edu) To post to this list, send messages to: mcn-l at mcn.edu To unsubscribe or change mcn-l delivery options visit: http://toronto.mediatrope.com/mailman/listinfo/mcn-l The MCN-L archives can be found at: http://toronto.mediatrope.com/pipermail/mcn-l/ ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 10:24:37 -0800 From: "Johnson, Peter" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Recommendations for photo management databases andsoftware To: "Museum Computer Network Listserv" <mcn-l at mcn.edu> Message-ID: <2A6CDDE8F1CB5D428E7CA6014794A58201EA4CE8 at scc-mail.skirball.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Oh for garsh sakes! Apologies for posting that to the list. Peter -----Original Message----- From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Johnson, Peter Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 10:23 AM To: Museum Computer Network Listserv Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Recommendations for photo management databases andsoftware Many thanks John, I will check it out. Best, Peter -----Original Message----- From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Bedard Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 6:10 AM To: Museum Computer Network Listserv Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Recommendations for photo management databasesand software Peter, We use Media Bin, a full DAM system. It has really improved productivity and is probably the most used system in the Museum. It certainly costs more than some systems, but I think you will eventually end up moving into a full DAMS in the future, so you may want to consider eliminating intermediate solutions. And we moved from the images stored on a server right to the full DAMS Here is a link to a case study they did on us http://www.interwoven.com/media/collateral/casestudy/cs_mia_singlepgs_WE B.pdf I think that they also still have available a webcast that I did with them about a year after we went live. Feel free to contact me if you would like to learn more about our experience. John >>> "Johnson, Peter" <pjohnson at skirball.org> 2/26/2009 1:45 PM >>> Colleagues, We are a small cultural center and museum, and we are taking preliminary steps toward creating a database to manage our digital photography, most of which currently resides on individual hard-drives or on the shared network. I would be interested in hearing from you regarding software and vendors you do or don't recommend, and why. (I'm well versed in the issues surrounding the retention and preservation of digital objects, btw.) We don't have a lot of money to throw at a solution, but we want to do the best job we can given those restraints, so I'm particularly interested in solutions that will provide the most bang for our limited means. Also, this is purely an in-house project -- we do not foresee sharing our photo resources outside the organization. If you would be so kind as to share your expertise, please reply privately to this e-mail address, and I thank you very much in advance. Best regards, Peter Peter Johnson Project Manager for Records, Documents & Images Skirball Cultural Center 2701 N. Sepulveda Blvd. Los Angeles, CA 90049 310-440-4707 pjohnson at skirball.org _______________________________________________ You are currently subscribed to mcn-l, the listserv of the Museum Computer Network (http://www.mcn.edu) To post to this list, send messages to: mcn-l at mcn.edu To unsubscribe or change mcn-l delivery options visit: http://toronto.mediatrope.com/mailman/listinfo/mcn-l The MCN-L archives can be found at: http://toronto.mediatrope.com/pipermail/mcn-l/ _______________________________________________ You are currently subscribed to mcn-l, the listserv of the Museum Computer Network (http://www.mcn.edu) To post to this list, send messages to: mcn-l at mcn.edu To unsubscribe or change mcn-l delivery options visit: http://toronto.mediatrope.com/mailman/listinfo/mcn-l The MCN-L archives can be found at: http://toronto.mediatrope.com/pipermail/mcn-l/ _______________________________________________ You are currently subscribed to mcn-l, the listserv of the Museum Computer Network (http://www.mcn.edu) To post to this list, send messages to: mcn-l at mcn.edu To unsubscribe or change mcn-l delivery options visit: http://toronto.mediatrope.com/mailman/listinfo/mcn-l The MCN-L archives can be found at: http://toronto.mediatrope.com/pipermail/mcn-l/ ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ mcn-l mailing list mcn-l at mcn.edu http://toronto.mediatrope.com/mailman/listinfo/mcn-l End of mcn-l Digest, Vol 41, Issue 21 ************************************* _______________________________________________ You are currently subscribed to mcn-l, the listserv of the Museum Computer Network (http://www.mcn.edu) To post to this list, send messages to: mcn-l at mcn.edu To unsubscribe or change mcn-l delivery options visit: http://toronto.mediatrope.com/mailman/listinfo/mcn-l The MCN-L archives can be found at: http://toronto.mediatrope.com/pipermail/mcn-l/
