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5. Re: Mac vs. PC (Drury Wellford)
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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:51:18 -0400
From: Rich Cherry <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
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Drury,
Like many technology questions this has very little to do with the
technology (although many will claim otherwise), it has to do with the
religion the IT department practices. If an IT department has a strong MAC
person then it's fairly easy to integrate and use without issues, if the IT
department is ambivalent or hostile to MAC then it depends on the status of
the requester in the institution on how good they are supported (sometimes
outside support is contracted). So when I was CIO in a museum with no MAC
person we resisted, when I was at a museum where I could hire a great MAC
support person we supported and expanded it and our users benefited from the
diversity.
Rich
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Drury Wellford
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Subject: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
Help! The Museum of the Confederacy is seeking advice from fellow museum
professionals.
We are starting a digitization project, and are beginning by scanning over
6000 original photographs we have in our collection. We are looking at
buying a 24" iMac, but are now addressing concerns about whether Mac
software will be compatible with the museum's PC-based server, and whether
we will be able to integrate Mac image files with our PC-based Collections
databases. We plan to store the images on an external hard drive as well,
but again are wondering how difficult it will be to retrieve the images and
use them on PC software.
Any suggestions?
Thanks a lot, and sorry if this question is a repeat of one that has been
asked of the listserv a million times before.
Drury Wellford
Ann Drury Wellford
Photo Services Manager
The Museum of the Confederacy
1201 East Clay Street
Richmond, VA 23219
Phone: (804) 649-1861 x17
Fax: (804) 644-7150
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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:37:57 -0400
From: Leonard Steinbach <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
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Having managed support for mixed environments in moderate to large
organizations, though predominantly PC, since the introduction of the Mac
Plus, I would like to second Rich's thoughts and add a little.
The primary concern should be user productivity and functional efficacy;
most seeming "difficulties" in a PC environment can be overcome.. However,
in analyzing the cost of bringing in (especially your first) Macs, one
should include some funds for technical orientation or training for (at
least one) technical support staff including a good orientation to a wide
variety of formal and informal online support resources; that gives you the
win-win of getting the machines you need and professional development for
staff. There is an inherent unfairness and jeopardy in saying "guess got
we're getting and now you gotta support it."
One should also (or alternatively) identify (preferably) local Mac support
expertise which can be accessed before internal staff frustration reaches a
peak (or pique) and serves a self-fulfilling "told you so" prophecy.
Identify someone from whom staff can learn (knowledge transfer resource).
So the bottom line is that perceived problems in bringing Macs into an
otherwise PC environment can be avoided or resolved by making sure that
access to and funds for support services (internal or outsourced) are in
place. It should and can be a positive experience for "user" staff and IT
staff alike, and need not turn into "us" vs. them.
Hope this helps.
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 1:51 PM, Rich Cherry
<rcherry at balboaparkonline.org>wrote:
> Drury,
>
> Like many technology questions this has very little to do with the
> technology (although many will claim otherwise), it has to do with the
> religion the IT department practices. If an IT department has a
> strong MAC person then it's fairly easy to integrate and use without
> issues, if the IT department is ambivalent or hostile to MAC then it
> depends on the status of the requester in the institution on how good
> they are supported (sometimes outside support is contracted). So when
> I was CIO in a museum with no MAC person we resisted, when I was at a
> museum where I could hire a great MAC support person we supported and
> expanded it and our users benefited from the diversity.
>
> Rich
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf
> Of Drury Wellford
> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:23 AM
> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
> Subject: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
>
> Help! The Museum of the Confederacy is seeking advice from fellow
> museum professionals.
>
> We are starting a digitization project, and are beginning by scanning
> over 6000 original photographs we have in our collection. We are
> looking at buying a 24" iMac, but are now addressing concerns about
> whether Mac software will be compatible with the museum's PC-based
> server, and whether we will be able to integrate Mac image files with
> our PC-based Collections databases. We plan to store the images on an
> external hard drive as well, but again are wondering how difficult it
> will be to retrieve the images and use them on PC software.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Thanks a lot, and sorry if this question is a repeat of one that has
> been asked of the listserv a million times before.
>
> Drury Wellford
>
> Ann Drury Wellford
> Photo Services Manager
> The Museum of the Confederacy
> 1201 East Clay Street
> Richmond, VA 23219
> Phone: (804) 649-1861 x17
> Fax: (804) 644-7150
> www.moc.org
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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:57:36 -0400
From: "Eisenhardt, Chuck" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
To: "Museum Computer Network Listserv" <mcn-l at mcn.edu>
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Ah, nothing like a good ol' 'Mac vs. PC' engagement.
I agree entirely with Jeff's points here. To see an organizational
preference for a Windows network termed a 'religious' response, ie. somehow
not a considered business strategy, but an article of faith or prejudgement,
is unseemly.
I agree also with Rich on the point that the differences in the platforms
are in no way a technical 'schism' but at base, are entirely a matter of
packaging the same technology, starting with very basic audience
expectations.
Was the Apple 'keyboard power button' (remember that
break-through?) technologically different from or advanced over a hardware
switch? And, in going back to a chassis-based switch why (in the iMac) put
it on the back of the workstation? 'Ease of use'.
We are a W2008 server network and our Macs are happily integrated. I
recognize the strengths and suitability for certain Mac-only or 'Mac-first'
applications, but so far we seem to have a happy marriage.
I think those guys in the Apple ads ought to move to New Hampshire and 'tie
the knot'.
Chuck Eisenhardt
Director of Information Technology
Boston Children's Museum
-----Original Message-----
From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jeff
L. La Clair
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:27 PM
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
If you are on a Windows 2008 DC and policy's with AD and WSUS (updates), and
unhealthy PC checks when a non-domain computer enters your network
(managment) for PC's is much easier as well as deployment methods of patches
and updates. without the need to invest. I have 16 Mac's and
156 PC's... By far the PC's are much easier to manage, deploy and patch.
Jeff
Thank You,
Jeff La Clair
Director of Information Technology
Baltimore Museum of Art
10 Art Museum Dr
Baltimore, MD. 21218
443-573-1596
Jllaclair at artbma.org
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Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:27 PM
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
>Management. PC environment much easier to control users with AD and
>user profiles (when roaming).
Jeff, you might be interested in Apple's current document (updated last in
April, 2009) - Best Practices: Integrating Mac OS X with Active Directory
available at
<http://images.apple.com/business/solutions/it/docs/Best_Practices_Activ
e_Directory.pdf>
Or, if you prefer, Apple also offers an online seminar (view in the browser
or download) at
<http://seminars.apple.com/seminarsonline/activedir/apple/index.html?s=3
01>
covering much of the same material.
We maintain a mixed environment here in Denver and have had no problems over
the last 5 years with mac users in our AD controlled network. In fact, half
of the Technology Department uses OS X with virtualized windows
environments.
-bw.
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Denver Art Museum / 100 W 14th Ave. Pkwy, Denver, CO 80204
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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:58:50 -0400
From: Leonard Steinbach <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
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And I think the guys in certain IT departments should "untie the not" j
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 2:57 PM, Eisenhardt, Chuck <
eisenhardt at bostonkids.org> wrote:
> Ah, nothing like a good ol' 'Mac vs. PC' engagement.
>
> I agree entirely with Jeff's points here. To see an organizational
> preference for a Windows network termed a 'religious' response, ie.
> somehow not a considered business strategy, but an article of faith or
> prejudgement, is unseemly.
>
> I agree also with Rich on the point that the differences in the
> platforms are in no way a technical 'schism' but at base, are entirely
> a matter of packaging the same technology, starting with very basic
> audience expectations.
>
> Was the Apple 'keyboard power button' (remember that
> break-through?) technologically different from or advanced over a
> hardware switch? And, in going back to a chassis-based switch why (in
> the iMac) put it on the back of the workstation? 'Ease of use'.
>
> We are a W2008 server network and our Macs are happily integrated. I
> recognize the strengths and suitability for certain Mac-only or
> 'Mac-first' applications, but so far we seem to have a happy marriage.
>
> I think those guys in the Apple ads ought to move to New Hampshire and
> 'tie the knot'.
>
> Chuck Eisenhardt
> Director of Information Technology
> Boston Children's Museum
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf
> Of Jeff L. La Clair
> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:27 PM
> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
> Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
>
> If you are on a Windows 2008 DC and policy's with AD and WSUS
> (updates), and unhealthy PC checks when a non-domain computer enters
> your network
> (managment) for PC's is much easier as well as deployment methods of
> patches and updates. without the need to invest. I have 16 Mac's and
> 156 PC's... By far the PC's are much easier to manage, deploy and patch.
> Jeff
>
> Thank You,
>
> Jeff La Clair
> Director of Information Technology
> Baltimore Museum of Art
> 10 Art Museum Dr
> Baltimore, MD. 21218
> 443-573-1596
> Jllaclair at artbma.org
> ________________________________________
> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf Of Bruce
> Wyman [bwyman at denverartmuseum.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:27 PM
> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
> Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
>
> >Management. PC environment much easier to control users with AD and
> >user profiles (when roaming).
>
> Jeff, you might be interested in Apple's current document (updated
> last in April, 2009) - Best Practices: Integrating Mac OS X with
> Active Directory available at
> <http://images.apple.com/business/solutions/it/docs/Best_Practices_Act
> iv
> e_Directory.pdf<http://images.apple.com/business/solutions/it/docs/Bes
> t_Practices_Activ%0Ae_Directory.pdf>
> >
>
> Or, if you prefer, Apple also offers an online seminar (view in the
> browser or download) at
> <http://seminars.apple.com/seminarsonline/activedir/apple/index.html?s
> =3
> 01>
> covering much of the same material.
>
> We maintain a mixed environment here in Denver and have had no
> problems over the last 5 years with mac users in our AD controlled
> network. In fact, half of the Technology Department uses OS X with
> virtualized windows environments.
>
> -bw.
> --
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> -=
> -=-=-=-=
> Bruce Wyman, Director of Technology
> Denver Art Museum / 100 W 14th Ave. Pkwy, Denver, CO 80204
> office: 720.913.0159 / fax: 720.913.0002
> <bwyman at denverartmuseum.org>
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 15:01:00 -0400
From: "Drury Wellford" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
To: "Museum Computer Network Listserv" <mcn-l at mcn.edu>
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Thank you Rich. This is one of the answers I really wanted to get as we are
already heading in this unfortunate direction!
Ann Drury Wellford
Photo Services Manager
The Museum of the Confederacy
1201 East Clay Street
Richmond, VA 23219
Phone: (804) 649-1861 x17
Fax: (804) 644-7150
www.moc.org
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From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Rich
Cherry
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:51 PM
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
Drury,
Like many technology questions this has very little to do with the
technology (although many will claim otherwise), it has to do with the
religion the IT department practices. If an IT department has a strong MAC
person then it's fairly easy to integrate and use without issues, if the IT
department is ambivalent or hostile to MAC then it depends on the status of
the requester in the institution on how good they are supported (sometimes
outside support is contracted). So when I was CIO in a museum with no MAC
person we resisted, when I was at a museum where I could hire a great MAC
support person we supported and expanded it and our users benefited from the
diversity.
Rich
-----Original Message-----
From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
Drury Wellford
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:23 AM
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
Subject: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
Help! The Museum of the Confederacy is seeking advice from fellow museum
professionals.
We are starting a digitization project, and are beginning by scanning over
6000 original photographs we have in our collection. We are looking at
buying a 24" iMac, but are now addressing concerns about whether Mac
software will be compatible with the museum's PC-based server, and whether
we will be able to integrate Mac image files with our PC-based Collections
databases. We plan to store the images on an external hard drive as well,
but again are wondering how difficult it will be to retrieve the images and
use them on PC software.
Any suggestions?
Thanks a lot, and sorry if this question is a repeat of one that has been
asked of the listserv a million times before.
Drury Wellford
Ann Drury Wellford
Photo Services Manager
The Museum of the Confederacy
1201 East Clay Street
Richmond, VA 23219
Phone: (804) 649-1861 x17
Fax: (804) 644-7150
www.moc.org
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