I second Diane's point that this kind of statement is clarifying  
rather that political.

There are so many examples of copyright over-reaching, blanket  
copyrights or confusion about what exactly is claimed under the  
copyright notice that this is a decidedly welcome move, I think, in  
the direction of clarity.

Have people seen Susan Bielstein's "Permissions - A Survival Guide,"   
in which for the illustrations not only full copyright status of work  
and image are given, but details of the fee paid - how much, to whom,  
for what.

David


On Jul 13, 2006, at 10:20 AM, Diane M. Zorich wrote:

> Amalyah,
>
> Okay, "crediting" was probably the wrong word to use.  My point is
> that noting "Public Domain" in the caption makes it clear to all that
> the original work is in the public domain (and thus freely available
> for copying), although the particular image of that public domain
> work, is, of course copyrighted by the photographer.
>
> Too many reproductions have captions that imply that the
> museum/photographer/gallery owns copyright to the work itself.   Why
> not note "public domain" in the caption, to clarify things?  I don't
> see it as a political statement at all.
>
> You're right in stating that there is no legal requirement to declare
> something public domain.  Under US law, there is also no legal
> requirement to declare something as copyrighted - yet what museum or
> photographer would approve a caption that did not include their
> copyright notice?  They justifiably want to let people know their
> rights.  Why not let the public also know what they have a right to?
>
> I see a public domain statement as a move towards greater clarity and
> less subterfuge in  our increasingly intellectual property-centric
> world.  Clarifying who owns (or does not own) rights is a responsible
> thing to do.  I have noticed an increasing trend among museums to use
> copyright statements that now qualify where the copyright lies, for
> example, "Greek amphora, 25 A.D., Image copyright 2006 The XYZ
> Museum" (italics mine).  I think this is also a positive effort
> towards greater clarity.
>
> Diane
>
> Copyright story of the day: The New York Times article "Is a Scent
> Like a Song?"
> http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/13/fashion/thursdaystyles/ 
> 13skin.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
> about  French parfumiers seeking  copyright status for the scents
> they create from their super-scentsitive noses.
>
>
>
>
>> But is it "crediting"?  Or is it a political statement?  How does  
>> one credit
>> a legal status?  After all, under copyright law, there is no need  
>> to declare
>> something public domain.  Nothing in a lack of declaration or  
>> "credit"
>> reduces or harms a work's public domain status.  It would be  
>> interesting to
>> see the Art Bulletin's "captioning policy now stated near the  
>> beginning of
>> each Art Bulletin
>> issue."
>>
>> At first glance, it seems a bit over the top.  On the other hand,  
>> maybe we
>> need a bit of over-the-top these days to counterbalance over-the-top
>> copyright claims, the chilling effect, and shrinking fair use  
>> protections.
>>
>> Amalyah Keshet
>> Head of Image Resources & Copyright Management
>> The Israel Museum, Jerusalem
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Diane M. Zorich" <dzorich at mindspring.com>
>> To: <mcn-l at toronto.mediatrope.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 4:47 PM
>> Subject: [MCN-L] IP SIG: Fwd: Re: Art Bulletin use of "In the  
>> Public Domain"
>> in its captions
>>
>>
>> Crediting the public domain (see below) -- what a
>> great and bold idea.  Kudos to the College Art
>> Association.  Now will museums follow suit?
>>
>> Diane
>>
>>
>>
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>>> Eileen--
>>>
>>> This is a conscious effort on the part of CAA,
>>> spearheaded by Eve Sinaiko, Director of
>>> Publications.  Their captioning policy is now
>>> stated near the beginning of each Art Bulletin
>>> issue.  I don't think that this has yet become
>>> common practice for scholarly publications at
>>> large, so CAA is attempting to set a good
>>> example.
>>>
>>> Ben Kessler
>>>
>>> "Fry, P. Eileen" <fryp at INDIANA.EDU> wrote:
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>>> Colleagues,
>>>
>>> I may have missed discussion of this, but is it
>>> now common practice for scholarly journals to
>>> credit illustrations with captions that say "In
>>> the Public Domain" for the work, and then
>>> copyright for the photographer?  Art Bulletin
>>> seems to be doing this, but I'm not sure how
>>> widespread it is.
>>>
>>> Eileen Fry
>>> Indiana University
>>
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