Deborah,

I think alot of the issue is we are at the beginning of public use of
collections in the same way we search for books.  

Here at the IMA we are currently working on a project with our Education
Resources departmet to include subject heading in our cataloguing of our
objects.  Being a VRA member and accredited librarian she is the best
person suited to establish the criteria for subject cataloguing of our
collection.  Since her departments responsibiltiy is to the public she
will keep a perspective of user need in mind when creating this
resource.  

Being aware of subject cataloging developments for museums (which, from
what I have seen, is still reletively new when compared to libraries),
such as the effort by the Visual Resources Association
(http://www.vraweb.org) and the Getty (http://www.getty.edu) called
Cataloguing Cultural Objects, CCO
(http://www.vraweb.org/ccoweb/index.html) will begin to get museum
subject cataloguing at the level of libraries.  In the CCO they
establish guidelines using established thesauri such as AAT and TGN. 
Using these thesauri as a base we plan to expand using some local terms
but without harming the AAT or TGN structure within our system.

Ive also heard of other museums in your area beginnig to bring their
patrons input straight into their system establishing a kind of subject
heading or more appropriately "keywording" for each object.  

If your really looking for some structure and guidance, I would contact
someone at the Visual Resources Association.  Our Education Resource
Coordinator (I hope that is the right title), is an active member of VRA
so we get our guidance from her.  Maybe get someone on staff signed up
as a member?

Mike.

Michael Rippy
Assistant Photographer
Indianapolis Museum of Art
4000 Michigan Road
Indianapolis, IN, USA  46208-3326
(317)920-2662 ext.191

www.ima-art.org
mri...@ima-art.org
>>> deborahwy...@hotmail.com 11/17/05 9:31 AM >>>
This doesn't make a lot of sense to me--why would museums >not< publish 
subject terms in their web/public versions of the catalog? Isn't the
purpose 
of creating subjects/keywords to make the collections more accessible
--to 
everyone, not just inhouse users? Museum staff are likely to be looking
for 
a specific object and have key data--title or accession numbers--but
members 
of the public (including picture researchers who might buy our images!)
may 
want to ask a system: "show me all the cats."

Deborah

----Original Message Follows----
From: "JanaH" <jana.h...@cartermuseum.org>
Reply-To: mcn-l@mcn.edu
To: mcn-l@mcn.edu
Subject: RE: subject & keyword searching in CMS and DAMS
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 16:04:12 -0600

Deborah,

Museums don't always publish their subject cataloging to their websites.
Usually only select fields are exported from the collection management
system, and for several reasons, the subject fields don't make the cut.
I think you'll find that the depth of information stored in collection
management systems isn't really reflected in museum websites. So I guess
what I'm saying is that just because you don't see it on the Web doesn't
mean someone isn't recording that information.

That said, I think most of us probably use a vocabulary based on the
Getty Art & Architecture Thesaurus (AAT), with local terms added where
necessary. We don't use LCSH because they are usually too
conceptual/vague for our needs, but maybe someone else will weigh in on
that?


Jana Hill
Collection Database Coordinator
Amon Carter Museum
3501 Camp Bowie Blvd.
Fort Worth, Texas 76107
817-989-5173
817-989-5179 fax

All opinions are my own and not those of my employer.




-----Original Message-----
From: Deborah Wythe [mailto:deborahwy...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 2:12 PM
To: mcn-l@mcn.edu
Subject: subject & keyword searching in CMS and DAMS

I'm curious to know if your museum assigns formal subject headings
and/or
keywords to works of art in their collections management or digital
asset
management systems. A little poking around on the Web seems to indicate
it's
not too common -- artist name, title, medium, collection, maybe a
general
category, yes, but something approaching the depth of the subject
headings
used in library catalogs--maybe no?

If you do assign subject headings, which authorities are used -- LCSH?
AAT?

Thanks,
Deborah

Deborah Wythe
Brooklyn Museum
Head, Digital Collections and Services
200 Eastern Parkway
Brooklyn, NY 11238
tel: 718 501 6311
fax: 718 501 6125
email: deborahwy...@hotmail.com





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