Hi Chris, We designed a website for the Museum of the City of New York with the same kind of banner design: http://activistnewyork.mcny.org I know some of the photos were copyrighted. I can give you Sarah Spink’s contact info, the associate curator, to ask how they handled the cropping/copywrite issues.
We also designed a site for the IFPDA <http://www.ifpda.org/> with a massive slide show of artwork that can’t be cropped. We set height and width limits so the strange sizes of the works don’t break the design, and had to keep all the title/artist/date information in one place as a result. We’re redesigning the entire website right now but have kept this slide show format because it showcases the art works so well, and that’s what was essential to do. 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Re: Website image cropping (Mike Ellis) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2016 16:15:44 +0000 > From: Chris Alexander <[email protected]> > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Subject: [MCN-L] Website image cropping > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hello all > > We're currently redesigning our website and a question came up. I'm hoping to > cull some information from the museum community about how other museums > handle the same situation. > > On our exhibition page the redesign relies heavily on landscape image similar > to this - where text floats to the left of a landscape image then switches on > the next exhibit listing. > > ------------ ??????????? > ----text---- ? Image ? > ------------ ??????????? > ??????????? ------------ > ? Image ? ----text---- > ??????????? ------------ > ------------ ??????????? > ----text---- ? Image ? > ------------ ??????????? > > The design requires the images to all be the same size for it to look it's > best, meaning they would be cropped in a lot of cases. We came across a lot > of museum sites with similar requirements during our discovery phase. > > My question is - how are museums handling this? Do you secure rights for > cropping artwork? How difficult has it been if so? Are museums offering a > full image view on click of the cropped image? Are there museums throwing > caution to the wind? > > Very interested in hearing from you all! > > Best regards, > > Chris Alexander > Digital Media Manager > Cantor Arts Center > Stanford University > 328 Lomita Drive<x-apple-data-detectors://0/1> > Stanford, CA 94305-5060<x-apple-data-detectors://0/1> > > 650.723.6114<tel:650.723.6114> | [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > <http://museum.stanford.edu/>http://museum.stanford.edu<http://museum.stanford.edu/> > <http://cantorcollections.stanford.edu/>http://cantorcollections.stanford.edu<http://cantorcollections.stanford.edu/> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2016 11:38:56 -0500 > From: Matt Morgan <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Website image cropping > Message-ID: > <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; Format="flowed" > > It's a problem, yes! > > Whoever makes your printed posters can probably tell you how frequently > your exh. images need permission/input before cropping. In my > experience, on top of the literal rights issues, you also have the > personality issues. E.g., when an important person (artist, curator, > donor, collector) doesn't like the way something looks, you might not do > it even if you're within your rights. Different museums may put > different weight on the latter issue. I don't think I've ever cropped an > artwork image without a curator having veto power; but that may not be > the practice everywhere. Being clear about that ahead of time may save > you a lot of effort down the road, if you can get authority to do it > within your department. > > Sometimes the "full view upon click" approach has helped with one or the > other kind of issue. But even figuring out what the options are can be a > time-sink. On the other hand, if you have a poster/print/advertising > design department already securing permission for this kind of work, > maybe you can tell them what aspect ratios work for you, and they can > handle it. > > What about resizing for responsive displays ... will the images retain > the same shape and details at every size? Or will foreheads potentially > get chopped off, etc. That may be important for everyone to understand > and plan for. > > best, > Matt > > On 12/12/2016 11:15 AM, Chris Alexander wrote: >> Hello all >> >> We're currently redesigning our website and a question came up. I'm hoping >> to cull some information from the museum community about how other museums >> handle the same situation. >> >> On our exhibition page the redesign relies heavily on landscape image >> similar to this - where text floats to the left of a landscape image then >> switches on the next exhibit listing. >> >> ------------ ??????????? >> ----text---- ? Image ? >> ------------ ??????????? >> ??????????? ------------ >> ? Image ? ----text---- >> ??????????? ------------ >> ------------ ??????????? >> ----text---- ? Image ? >> ------------ ??????????? >> >> The design requires the images to all be the same size for it to look it's >> best, meaning they would be cropped in a lot of cases. We came across a lot >> of museum sites with similar requirements during our discovery phase. >> >> My question is - how are museums handling this? Do you secure rights for >> cropping artwork? How difficult has it been if so? Are museums offering a >> full image view on click of the cropped image? Are there museums throwing >> caution to the wind? >> >> Very interested in hearing from you all! >> >> Best regards, >> >> Chris Alexander >> Digital Media Manager >> Cantor Arts Center >> Stanford University >> 328 Lomita Drive<x-apple-data-detectors://0/1> >> Stanford, CA 94305-5060<x-apple-data-detectors://0/1> >> >> 650.723.6114<tel:650.723.6114> | [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]> >> <http://museum.stanford.edu/>http://museum.stanford.edu<http://museum.stanford.edu/> >> <http://cantorcollections.stanford.edu/>http://cantorcollections.stanford.edu<http://cantorcollections.stanford.edu/> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> You are currently subscribed to mcn-l, the listserv of the Museum Computer >> Network (http://www.mcn.edu) >> >> To post to this list, send messages to: [email protected] >> >> To unsubscribe or change mcn-l delivery options visit: >> http://mcn.edu/mailman/listinfo/mcn-l >> >> The MCN-L archives can be found at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2016 12:17:47 -0500 > From: Leonard Steinbach <[email protected]> > To: Museum Computer Network Listserv <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Website image cropping > Message-ID: > <cakrv8okbql05enmuz79wo8ym_d2hsr2d-nns+takn2yqxwl...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Building a bit on what Matt is saying, maybe a bit more simply from a > rights issue. > > 1) Even if a museums owns a work, it does not necessarily own copyright > unless it was specifically conveyed in whole or part with purchase (or if > loaned - and similarly the lender may not have copyright.) Whether you use > an image in whole or part in use you are describing, the rights need to be > cleared. > > 2) If even a copyright holder seems to give permission to use a work's > image online, that copyright holder may not have the right to permit the > image to be used if cropped or otherwise manipulated because "moral rights" > under the Visual Artists Rights Act (VARA) or other laws (varies > internationally, and some state laws may enhance) may apply. Under that > act, under the "the right of integrity" enables artists to prevent the > intentional distortion mutilation or other modification of a work that is > harmful to their honor or reputation. or the copyright holder if not the > artist may not the right to permit such changes. See this doc on the subject > <http://www.sparcinla.org/wp-content/uploads/downloads/DOC_4_SPARC_VARA.pdf> . > I have no explicit cite on hand with respect to a digital image rather > than an original work, but this is about "reputation" so I believe it > would apply. > > Finally I am aware of the case of an exhibition of a major modern artist, > whose Estate, which handled rights issues, absolutely, when asked, > prohibited the use of a cropped image for the front fold of an exhibition > brochure. Good thing they were asked. > > Hope this helps (and please chime in if I have misconstrued something) > > > > On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 11:38 AM, Matt Morgan <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> It's a problem, yes! >> >> Whoever makes your printed posters can probably tell you how frequently >> your exh. images need permission/input before cropping. In my experience, >> on top of the literal rights issues, you also have the personality issues. >> E.g., when an important person (artist, curator, donor, collector) doesn't >> like the way something looks, you might not do it even if you're within >> your rights. Different museums may put different weight on the latter >> issue. I don't think I've ever cropped an artwork image without a curator >> having veto power; but that may not be the practice everywhere. Being clear >> about that ahead of time may save you a lot of effort down the road, if you >> can get authority to do it within your department. >> >> Sometimes the "full view upon click" approach has helped with one or the >> other kind of issue. But even figuring out what the options are can be a >> time-sink. On the other hand, if you have a poster/print/advertising design >> department already securing permission for this kind of work, maybe you can >> tell them what aspect ratios work for you, and they can handle it. >> >> What about resizing for responsive displays ... will the images retain the >> same shape and details at every size? Or will foreheads potentially get >> chopped off, etc. That may be important for everyone to understand and plan >> for. >> >> best, >> Matt >> >> >> On 12/12/2016 11:15 AM, Chris Alexander wrote: >> >>> Hello all >>> >>> We're currently redesigning our website and a question came up. I'm >>> hoping to cull some information from the museum community about how other >>> museums handle the same situation. >>> >>> On our exhibition page the redesign relies heavily on landscape image >>> similar to this - where text floats to the left of a landscape image then >>> switches on the next exhibit listing. >>> >>> ------------ ??????????? >>> ----text---- ? Image ? >>> ------------ ??????????? >>> ??????????? ------------ >>> ? Image ? ----text---- >>> ??????????? ------------ >>> ------------ ??????????? >>> ----text---- ? Image ? >>> ------------ ??????????? >>> >>> The design requires the images to all be the same size for it to look >>> it's best, meaning they would be cropped in a lot of cases. We came across >>> a lot of museum sites with similar requirements during our discovery phase. >>> >>> My question is - how are museums handling this? Do you secure rights for >>> cropping artwork? How difficult has it been if so? Are museums offering a >>> full image view on click of the cropped image? Are there museums throwing >>> caution to the wind? >>> >>> Very interested in hearing from you all! >>> >>> Best regards, >>> >>> Chris Alexander >>> Digital Media Manager >>> Cantor Arts Center >>> Stanford University >>> 328 Lomita Drive<x-apple-data-detectors://0/1> >>> Stanford, CA 94305-5060<x-apple-data-detectors://0/1> >>> >>> 650.723.6114<tel:650.723.6114> | [email protected] <mailto: >>> [email protected]> >>> <http://museum.stanford.edu/>http://museum.stanford.edu<http >>> ://museum.stanford.edu/> >>> <http://cantorcollections.stanford.edu/>http://cantorcollect >>> ions.stanford.edu<http://cantorcollections.stanford.edu/> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> You are currently subscribed to mcn-l, the listserv of the Museum >>> Computer Network (http://www.mcn.edu) >>> >>> To post to this list, send messages to: [email protected] >>> >>> To unsubscribe or change mcn-l delivery options visit: >>> http://mcn.edu/mailman/listinfo/mcn-l >>> >>> The MCN-L archives can be found at: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> You are currently subscribed to mcn-l, the listserv of the Museum Computer >> Network (http://www.mcn.edu) >> >> To post to this list, send messages to: [email protected] >> >> To unsubscribe or change mcn-l delivery options visit: >> http://mcn.edu/mailman/listinfo/mcn-l >> >> The MCN-L archives can be found at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >> >> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2016 17:21:35 +0000 > From: Heather Hart <[email protected]> > To: Museum Computer Network Listserv <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Website image cropping > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > At The Broad, we do not crop any images without obtaining express permission > directly from the rights holder and, often, the living artist (our works are > all copyrighted). Cropping is usually reserved for promotional exhibition > images, and web permission is sought at the same time as rights for the > catalogue and any print and digital advertising. > > In all other cases, we try to never crop an artwork image. Our collection > varies in aspect ratio drastically, but it IS possible to design for variable > width and height images. This was very frustrating to several designers we > tried to work with. In the end we had to structure our whole design based on > that requirement, and I think the site is stronger for it. Even if we could > crop, it was unpredictable to allow the website to automatically generate a > cropped image. Custom generating thumbnails for every work based on a certain > desired aspect ratio to accommodate a website design would have been a far > greater investment of staff resources than simply imagining a design that > wouldn't require it. > > Can't wait to see how you handle it! > > Heather Hart | The Broad > 213.232.6239 > [email protected] > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Matt > Morgan > Sent: Monday, December 12, 2016 8:39 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Website image cropping > > It's a problem, yes! > > Whoever makes your printed posters can probably tell you how frequently your > exh. images need permission/input before cropping. In my experience, on top > of the literal rights issues, you also have the personality issues. E.g., > when an important person (artist, curator, donor, collector) doesn't like the > way something looks, you might not do it even if you're within your rights. > Different museums may put different weight on the latter issue. I don't think > I've ever cropped an artwork image without a curator having veto power; but > that may not be the practice everywhere. Being clear about that ahead of time > may save you a lot of effort down the road, if you can get authority to do it > within your department. > > Sometimes the "full view upon click" approach has helped with one or the > other kind of issue. But even figuring out what the options are can be a > time-sink. On the other hand, if you have a poster/print/advertising design > department already securing permission for this kind of work, maybe you can > tell them what aspect ratios work for you, and they can handle it. > > What about resizing for responsive displays ... will the images retain the > same shape and details at every size? Or will foreheads potentially get > chopped off, etc. That may be important for everyone to understand and plan > for. > > best, > Matt > > On 12/12/2016 11:15 AM, Chris Alexander wrote: >> Hello all >> >> We're currently redesigning our website and a question came up. I'm hoping >> to cull some information from the museum community about how other museums >> handle the same situation. >> >> On our exhibition page the redesign relies heavily on landscape image >> similar to this - where text floats to the left of a landscape image then >> switches on the next exhibit listing. >> >> ------------ *********** >> ----text---- * Image * >> ------------ *********** >> *********** ------------ >> * Image * ----text---- >> *********** ------------ >> ------------ *********** >> ----text---- * Image * >> ------------ *********** >> >> The design requires the images to all be the same size for it to look it's >> best, meaning they would be cropped in a lot of cases. We came across a lot >> of museum sites with similar requirements during our discovery phase. >> >> My question is - how are museums handling this? Do you secure rights for >> cropping artwork? How difficult has it been if so? Are museums offering a >> full image view on click of the cropped image? Are there museums throwing >> caution to the wind? >> >> Very interested in hearing from you all! >> >> Best regards, >> >> Chris Alexander >> Digital Media Manager >> Cantor Arts Center >> Stanford University >> 328 Lomita Drive<x-apple-data-detectors://0/1> >> Stanford, CA 94305-5060<x-apple-data-detectors://0/1> >> >> 650.723.6114<tel:650.723.6114> | [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]> >> <http://museum.stanford.edu/>http://museum.stanford.edu<http://museum. >> stanford.edu/> >> <http://cantorcollections.stanford.edu/>http://cantorcollections.stanf >> ord.edu<http://cantorcollections.stanford.edu/> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> You are currently subscribed to mcn-l, the listserv of the Museum >> Computer Network (http://www.mcn.edu) >> >> To post to this list, send messages to: [email protected] >> >> To unsubscribe or change mcn-l delivery options visit: >> http://mcn.edu/mailman/listinfo/mcn-l >> >> The MCN-L archives can be found at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2016 18:15:34 +0000 > From: Mike Ellis <[email protected]> > To: Museum Computer Network Listserv <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Website image cropping > Message-ID: > <camgwljeed-a9pu2rz8pjvvedw4hpr30t3-jv8-zqke_9z62...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi Chris > > I don't know about getting rights for cropped images, it sounds like hell > on a stick to me, and I'd imagine best to avoid this if you can... > > Clicking to get full image, well yes, but I'd have thought the obvious call > to action / click on an exhibition listing page image would be to link > through to whatever the feature was about rather than to view the image? > But a separate link to a lightbox overlay would seem a good idea - example > http://americanmuseum.org/object/the-race/ > > We're finding a "Masonry" style approach to be pretty useful (specifically > for object images - but may work here too) for displaying listings with > varying aspect ratios on the module images. This enables us to fix a width > but vary height - example here: > http://swcollectionsexplorer.org.uk/browse-collections/. This also works > for non-object stuff - here's an example with infinite scroll: > https://handelhendrix.org. > > (FYI, both sites are WordPress - obviously under the hood WP is doing > auto-cropping for each upload, but crops can be amended manually as > required.) > > One of several "masonry" libraries is here: http://masonry.desandro.com/ > > cheers > > Mike > > _____________ > > Mike Ellis > > Thirty8 Digital: a small but perfectly formed digital agency > http://thirty8.co.uk > > ** NEW: http://wpformuseums.com for people using WordPress in museums ** > ** Workshops, courses and free downloads: http://trainingdigital.co.uk ** > > > > > > On Mon, 12 Dec 2016 at 16:15 Chris Alexander <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hello all > > We're currently redesigning our website and a question came up. I'm hoping > to cull some information from the museum community about how other museums > handle the same situation. > > On our exhibition page the redesign relies heavily on landscape image > similar to this - where text floats to the left of a landscape image then > switches on the next exhibit listing. > > ------------ ??????????? > ----text---- ? Image ? > ------------ ??????????? > ??????????? ------------ > ? Image ? ----text---- > ??????????? ------------ > ------------ ??????????? > ----text---- ? Image ? > ------------ ??????????? > > The design requires the images to all be the same size for it to look it's > best, meaning they would be cropped in a lot of cases. We came across a lot > of museum sites with similar requirements during our discovery phase. > > My question is - how are museums handling this? Do you secure rights for > cropping artwork? How difficult has it been if so? Are museums offering a > full image view on click of the cropped image? Are there museums throwing > caution to the wind? > > Very interested in hearing from you all! > > Best regards, > > Chris Alexander > Digital Media Manager > Cantor Arts Center > Stanford University > 328 Lomita Drive<x-apple-data-detectors://0/1> > Stanford, CA 94305-5060<x-apple-data-detectors://0/1> > > 650.723.6114<tel:650.723.6114> | [email protected] <mailto: > [email protected]> > <http://museum.stanford.edu/>http://museum.stanford.edu< > http://museum.stanford.edu/> > <http://cantorcollections.stanford.edu/> > http://cantorcollections.stanford.edu<http://cantorcollections.stanford.edu/ >> > _______________________________________________ > You are currently subscribed to mcn-l, the listserv of the Museum Computer > Network (http://www.mcn.edu) > > To post to this list, send messages to: [email protected] > > To unsubscribe or change mcn-l delivery options visit: > http://mcn.edu/mailman/listinfo/mcn-l > > The MCN-L archives can be found at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > > -- > > _____________________________ > > Mike Ellis > > Thirty8 Digital: a small but perfectly formed digital agency: http:// > <http://thirty8.co.uk>thirty8.co.uk > > * My book: http:// <http://heritageweb.co.uk>heritageweb.co.uk * > > * New: Workshops, courses and free downloads: http:// > <http://trainingdigital.co.uk/>trainingdigital.co.uk/ > <http://trainingdigital.co.uk/> * > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > mcn-l mailing list > [email protected] > http://mcn.edu/mailman/listinfo/mcn-l > > > End of mcn-l Digest, Vol 136, Issue 9 > *************************************
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