On Mon, 27 Dec 1999 08:52:48 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>  
>  Here is the act  in question http://www.hrrc.org/ahra.html
>  See section 1008  which says
>  
>   SUBCHAPTER D. PROHIBITION ON CERTAIN INFRINGEMENT ACTIONS,
>  REMEDIES, AND ARBITRATION
>  
>  Section 1008. Prohibition on certain infringement actions
>  
>  No action may be brought under this title alleging infringement of
>  copyright based on the manufacture,
>  importation, or distribution of a digital audio recording device, a
>  digital audio recording medium, an analog
>  recording device, or an analog recording medium, or based on the
>  noncommercial use by a consumer of such a
>  device or medium for making digital musical recordings or analog musical
>  recordings. 
>  
>  
>  http://www.hrrc.org/ahrasum.html
>  
>  Youse guys can bitch all you want to but it don't change the law, and
>  the big buck recording companies weren't able to push it down our
>  throats either.

Surely this is where you've shot your own argument in the foot?

When is obtaining a piece of commercially available, copyrighted material
not a commercial endeavour? When do they start giving it away for free?

Where does it give you, or anybody else the right to obtain copyright
material without owning a legitimate copy?

Surely all this means is that if you have a CD player, a MD player, an MP3
player, a tape player, you don't have to purchase several versions of the
copyright material, you can simply purchase one, and use your various other
formats to record this copyright material for your own, non-commercial use?

Where does it say you can pirate it offa friend who happens to have a copy?

Where would you draw the line? Say a small town with 1000 or so "friends"
living in it, they'd only have to purchase one legitmate copy between the
whole town, and the rest could just pirate it for free, so long as there was
no money changing hands? Surely you can't be trying to say this sort of
thing is allowed by this?

I'll repeat surely every time you obtain a piece of copyright material it is
a commercial endeavour, unless you're breaching the copyright, or simply
copying it to another format so you can still use it on other platforms.

>  In all the time I have had a minidisc recorder, I have
>  copied one, CD that I didn't own.  Most of the stuff I record is from
>  the radio, jam sessions, concerts that I have permission, practice
>  sessions, or my own gigs.  

It has to be said, that in all of this, I just think people are reading into
this things they wanna hear.

Specifics from generalities, that probably came about to pre-empt those with
greed attempting to make punters by multiple copies...

Once again, what does it say in the copyright notice on any of your
prerecorded CDs or whatever you use?

Neil





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