Hi List,
I'm sorry, I know this isn't pretty.
>Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 23:27:36 -0700
>From: Dan Frakes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: MD: Napster and my venting
>
>"Link :-7" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >What has the recording industry done for me? They've saturated the
> >Media with sh|t music... Brittany Spears, BackStreet Boys, Eminem,
> >Limp Bizkit (I don't care how PRO-Napster they are, they still suck),
> >oh, I forgot about the whole Latin Explosion too, nothing against it,
> >but I guess Ska was two summers ago and last summer was Brian Setzer
> >and Swing... Whatever they want to market. The only radio I listen to
> >is oldies, and that's if I'm too lazy to hook up my minidisc to take
> >a quick drive across town.
>
>Of course that's all your opinion, and has nothing to do with whether or
>not Napster is involved in copyright infringement...
No, it has everything to do with it. The issue is that the RIAA is losing
money. Metallica is going after the wrong people. When Pearl Jam was
upset about the rediculous price of concerts tickets (and rightfully so,
again, my opinion) they didn't go after the fans buying those tickets, they
went to the source of the problem.
The source of this problem is the RIAA, the band makes pocket change on a CD
sale while the RIAA is putting paper bills in their pocket.
> >oh yeah, some entertainment:
> >
> >http://www.joecartoon.com/buddies/chaos/index.html
> >
> >Or goto: http://www.joecartoon.com
> >Click Napster Bad! It's funny, and it is the truth about Metallica.
>
>For those that don't want to waste the bandwidth (and their time), the
>gist of the above cartoon is this: "Metallica fans who spend hundreds of
>dollars buying Metallica CDs, concert tickets, t-shirts, etc. are great
>unless they download Metallica MP3's, in which case the band wants them
>to go to jail." (That, and some really stupid caricatures of the band
>members.) Nice idea except for one fact: the people downloading the songs
>aren't the people who have been buying all the CDs, concert tickets, etc.
To quote you my friend (using that lightly) >Of course that's all your
opinion, and has nothing to do with whether or not Napster is involved in
copyright infringement...
>
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>
>Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 23:38:38 -0700
>From: Dan Frakes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: MD: Napster
>
>las <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >What is the matter with the record companies?? Half of the music that
> >is on Napster can't even be found anywhere!! It's not like you can go
> >to Tower records and buy the CD.
>
>I'd be willing to bet all the money to my name that 99% of the songs on
>Napster are available at Tower, Virgin, or an online CD store.
That's pretty funny because I just started using Napster a week ago. Not
that I've ever had anything against it, but I buy a lot of music, on Indy
labels. I didn't put any complete album on Napster, I don't feel "right"
doing that. However I did put up some MP3s that I downloaded from Courtney
Love's Hole Website: http://www.holemusic.com
Funny thing is those songs are free on her site, but about %50 of my hits
were for those songs... The other "hits" I received were for all the Indy
bands that I listed because I couldn't find them when I did a search. One
was Southern Lord Records new Release by Mondo Generator called "Cocaine
Rodeo" got some hits as well as some Phish songs from "The White Tape". My
live Smashing Pumpkins material also received a lot of hits, as well as some
rare Wellwater Conspiracy... Try finding any of this at Virgin or Tower
records... No way in hell chief. I'm just one case, but people definetly
knew what they were looking for, and I'm personally glad I could provide
that! Napster didn't infringe on any copyrights, I did, I put those songs
there, I let people download them. I'll take full responsibility for my
actions, please RIAA, lock me up! I could list a post in some newsgroups,
and have people download the songs from my X.drive at Xdrive.com, I didn't
have to put these songs on Napster.
> >The record industry has to realize that the whole world is changing.
> >Hell, all someone has to do is make arrangements with someone in some
> >country that does not honor US or international copyrights and charge
> >5 cents a download. I don't see how you can stop someone from doing
> >something like this when they are not bound by US law.
>
>There are international copyright laws.
>
Let me quote the guy who wrote this Sir Disecter: Hell, all someone has to
do is make arrangements with someone in some
> >country that does not honor US or international copyrights and charge
> >5 cents a download.
>
> >Maybe when Metallash!t has to keep canceling concerts because they
> >can't sell enough tickets, they'll have a change of heart too!! They
> >are got to be lower then pond scum. Even lower then lawyers!!! (if
> >you can get that low!!). They are suing their fans!!!! This has got
> >to be a first.
>
>I don't get this. A band is upset that people are stealing their music,
>they try to shut down the company making such theft possible, and that
>makes them "lower than pond scum?" They *aren't* suing their fans. They
>are going after Napster.
Why don't they go after the RIAA and make $5 on a CD sale, or try to
incoroporate a price of $10 per CD WORLDWIDE! Try to reclaim their
copyrights with Congress, which are no longer theirs by law, the record
company owns them because Metallica is a work for hire, just like a computer
programmer or any other musician in the eyes of the law. They aren't
artists anymore.
>
>The other argument made frequently is that downloading songs lets you
>"try them out" and that if you like them you'll go buy the CD. 1) Even if
>that were true, that doesn't make it legal, and it's still up to the
>record companies and artists as to whether they want to allow it.
Tell me one record company or one band that wouldn't like me to play a CD
for a friend, and that friend say, "wow, that was awesome" "I'll have to
buy me a copy of that."
If you don't buy the CD, then I hope your hard drive lasts a few years, or
if you burn that onto a CD-R, enjoy the artwork... Those people aren't into
music... And they wouldn't buy the CD regardless... Every song I hear on
the radio is not followed by a disclaimer that it is copyrighted... What's
to stop me from calling the station and requesting a song and then hitting
record on my minidisc??? (ON TOPIC)
2) The
>single study that claims that this *is* true was severely
>methodologically flawed, so there is still no evidence that this theory
>is accurate.
>
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Why have CD sales increased? Why do I still go to the record store? Gosh,
I use Napster, am I a bad person?
>
>Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 02:29:31 -0500
>From: "Matthew Wall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: MD: Napster and my venting
>
> > For those that don't want to waste the bandwidth (and their time), the
> > gist of the above cartoon is this: "Metallica fans who spend hundreds of
> > dollars buying Metallica CDs, concert tickets, t-shirts, etc. are great
> > unless they download Metallica MP3's, in which case the band wants them
> > to go to jail." (That, and some really stupid caricatures of the band
> > members.) Nice idea except for one fact: the people downloading the
>songs
> > aren't the people who have been buying all the CDs, concert tickets,
>etc.
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>I cut everything except this last part. I disagree 110% with your
>statement
>that people who use napster dont purchase cd's. Personally i do use
>napster
>for sampling only. Since i started using it, my cd purchases have
>increased
>big time. most of the reason is i can not stand how sh*tty mp3's sound,
>but
>dont mind them for simple sampling of songs. The Jimmy Page / Black Crows
>"live at the greek" is a great example of this. I listened to 2 songs in
>MP3 format and about 5 minutes later purchased the CD online (this is when
>it was only available online) so saying that all people who use napster
>are
>just evil leeches that are sucking both the riaa and the artists dry is
>just
>crazy. and also saying that Joe Bob that actually has 30k mp3's on his DLT
>tapes is hurting the industry is crazy too. if the avg song is 3 minutes
>long that would be a total of 1500 hours of music, which if listened to
>straight through you would be listening to songs for over 62 days straight.
>and personally i dont care who you are if you have that many mp3's you
>aren't going to ever listen to them all. heck you probably dont even know
>what 90% of them are. ok that was my venting.
>
HERE HERE!
I'll drink to that.
Cheers,
Link
http://www.angelfire.com/md2/MDLink
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