On 5 Aug 2000, at 13:03, las wrote:

> > "These are all stores that inspect potential employees' urine. "
> 
> Are you stating a fact about BB or are you just assuming?

They're constantly hiring here in Sacramento and on their sign 
advertising that fact it always says "Best Buy is a drug-free 
workplace", which means that employees are free to smoke cigarettes 
and drink coffee on company property, but their urine will be 
inspected to see what they're up to at home.  This is true of the 
other stores as well.

> But commission seems to have no effect on  the quality of people that
> work in these stores.  Circuit City pays on commission and seems to
> always get either stupid obnoxious sales people or nice people that are
> just total idiots.  I can't tell you how many times I have either
> explained or corrected sales people about something at Circuit City.

There seems to be a battle going back and forth between the Good Guys 
and Circuit City.  It seems like for a while there will be good 
people at one place and morons at the other, then it flips back 
again.  Circuit City is the place where a salesidiot once sold me an 
entire box of five Sony MDs for the over-inflated price of single one 
because he had no idea what he was selling.  The only reason I, 
usually compulsively honest, let him do it is because the instant I 
asked if they had any he became insulting.  (This was many years ago 
when getting a box of five for $17.99 was a serious savings!)

> I think that the problem is that most of the people that they hire think
> they know something.  They are not like most of us on the list, either
> students or people with "real" jobs/professions who spend a lot of time
> reading about technology.

I think when all the store is interested in is paying next to nothing 
and "drug free" PR, they get what they get.  As long as everything 
remains profitable, _nothing_ else matters.  I can even sympathize to 
a point from a pure business perspective why it doesn't matter, but 
as someone who'd rather not deal with idiots when hundreds of dollars 
are at stake, I find it beyond frustrating.

The worst offender I know of is a chain called Fry's (they're in 
California, not sure if they're elsewhere), which routinely places 
items back on the shelf that have been returned as _defective_.  
Apparently their philosophy is "Sooner or later someone will buy it 
and never get around to returning it."  A job interview there 
involves urinating _while_ a manager _watches_.  Employees are 
searched when they leave at night.  What person with any brains or 
self-respect would work there?  Getting "help" in a Fry's store is an 
exercise in futility.  Or is there a word that denotes "beyond 
futility"?

> These people learn about new products at sales meetings.  These
> are meetings that people who work the evening shift are forced to
> come in for on a Sunday morning at 8 AM.  They are pissed to be
> their in the first place. They pretending to be awake and leave
> there know even less then when they came in. 

Inexcusable.  I don't blame the employees for having an attitude 
problem in a case like that, I certainly would have one!

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