Just thought I'm add my use case, which is very close to 3. I manage 2 mediawiki installations on separate servers. One is a shared scenario where I do not have root, but do have full write access to my installation directory. The second, I have root. In both cases, I manage both core and extensions using Git. I have not had the time to look into Composer yet, although I'm not sure why I would, as I prefer the Git method. My only gripe is I don't track Extensions as submodules, so I have to upgrade Extensions from the command line individually using git pull, or git checkout REL1.nn during version releases.
I really like how I do it now, as it gives me more control, and I'd hope this method would not go away. On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 6:22 PM, Markus Glaser <gla...@hallowelt.biz> wrote: > Hi there, > > this is a discussion happening on wikitech-l at the moment. I think this is > also of interest to all the mediawiki users out there ;) Please share your > thoughts! > > Best, > Markus > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: wikitech-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org > [mailto:wikitech-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] Im Auftrag von Gabriel Wicke > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 11. Juni 2014 20:48 > An: Wikimedia developers > Betreff: [Wikitech-l] How to make MediaWiki easier to install: use cases > > In the current discussion about git submodules vs. composer there are several > different underlying assumptions about the user's situation. I think it would > help the discussion to clarify which use cases we are dealing with. > Here is an attempt: > > 1) Shared hosting without shell. The user uploads code with (s)ftp, and can't > install anything globally. > > 2) Shared hosting with non-root shell and git installed. The user can use git > directly on the server, but can't install anything globally without root. > They can manually download composer to their home directory. > > 3) Root on a (virtual) server. The user can install packages, and do any of > the above. > > The git submodules vs. composer discussion seems to focus on case 2). Case > 1) could be addressed by providing a 'bundle' tar file with all dependencies > that can be uploaded via (s)ftp. In case 2) composer or git can be used on > the server to fetch dependencies separately. > > When using git, it might be worth considering Parsoid's method of making the > core repository a submodule of a 'core-deploy' repository which has all > dependencies, rather than making the dependencies a submodule of core. This > avoids issues with git complaining about dirty submodules in the common case > of updating core often. > > In case 3) the user has a full packaging system at their disposal, which > means that it is theoretically possible to set up a fully-featured MediaWiki > system with a few commands. So far we don't have any special support for this > case (we expect users to follow the manual tarball setup), which made sense > in the past as folks running their own server were fairly rare. > > Many of our users are starting to take advantage of cheap virtual machines > though, which are now widely available at a price point comparable to shared > hosting. For this reason I think that we should put more effort into > supporting case 3), for example by providing good Debian packaging which lets > you do "apt-get install mediawiki-full" and get a MediaWiki install with > caching, VisualEditor and so on. There are also other benefits here beyond > the initial install, like automatic security updates with unattended-upgrades. > > So far we don't have a good idea of how common the different use cases are, > and how this distribution is changing. I think that we should try to get this > information so that we can have a more informed debate. > > Gabriel > > _______________________________________________ > Wikitech-l mailing list > wikitec...@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > _______________________________________________ > Mediawiki-enterprise mailing list > Mediawiki-enterprise@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-enterprise _______________________________________________ Mediawiki-enterprise mailing list Mediawiki-enterprise@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-enterprise
