On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 6:09 PM, Daniel Friesen
<[email protected]> wrote:
> On Fri, 24 May 2013 13:41:04 -0700, Al Johnson <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>> Maybe mediawiki sites can unite to keep a global list of these IP's and
>> block them as soon as they are submitted.  Each mediawiki site can
>> auto-submit a spammer IP as soon as it's discovered to the global list.
>> What are the problems with this idea?
>>
>> Al
>
>
> IP blocking simply doesn't work. It's like playing whack-a-mole against a
> billion moles (or trillions on trillions once IPv6 really takes off).
> There are too many open proxies, botnet machines, etc... and many of them
> are either also addresses used by real editors, NAT addresses with editors
> on them, or dynamic IPs that will soon be forced on a non-spammer while the
> spammer gets an unblocked IP.

From what I've seen, it's probably the least time-effective technique
for preventing spam, but it is effective against naive vandals like we
see on en.wikipedia.org. It may be enough to get a spammer to move on
to easier targets. I'd be interested in hearing if any smaller wikis
have tried this and found it to work or not work.

> The proper way to deal with this spam is not by IP but by content. We need
> some people who are knowledgeable about matching spam by training programs
> with spam and non-spam. That's the kind of central database that would be
> useful. An extension that sends spam (and after awhile things marked
> non-spam) to a central database. A community on that database that vets
> valid and invalid submissions. And eventually a mode for that extension that
> will start using information generated from that data to start filtering out
> spam edits.
>
> I've actually already thought about this and thought about how to make it
> friendly to users when their edits accidentally end up considered spam:
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Dantman/Anti-spam_system

We have a gsoc proposal from Anubhav, who wants to create a bayesan filter:
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Anubhav_iitr/Bayesan_spam_filter

The primary target for that project is smaller wikis, so I'm sure he
would appreciate input and feedback on that project if it gets
accepted.

>
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