On Tue, 21 Dec 2010 09:38:57 -0800
Shane Bryan <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Tue, 21 Dec 2010 10:43:42 +0200
> Santakivi Topi <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> > On 12/21/2010 10:33 AM, Tatu Lahtela wrote:
> > > On 12/21/2010 10:19 AM, ext Carsten Munk wrote:
> > >> 2010/12/21 Arjan van de Ven <[email protected]
> > >> <mailto:[email protected]>>
> > >>
> > >>     On 12/20/2010 9:53 PM, Kangkai Yin wrote:
> > >>
> > >>         Hi,
> > >>         Adding new package kernel-adaptation-oaktrail in project
> > >>         Trunk:Testing. Please review and accept ASAP.
> > >>
> > >>         Justification for this new package:
> > >>
> > >>         The kernel for Oaktrail, fix #BMC 11588
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>     ok this is getting silly
> > >>
> > >>     opening dummy bugs just to get past the paperwork, just so
> > >> you can claim you "fixed" a bug...
> > >>
> > >>     our bureaucrazy has gone waaaay too far.
> > >>
> > >>     We're in a development window, not in a "code freeze strict
> > >>     bugfixes only" part of the schedule!
> > >>
> > >> Well, and we're side-stepping program management totally by
> > >> having those dummy bugs. A new package should be a FEA# and
> > >> approved by program management as per
> > >> http://wiki.meego.com/Release_Engineering/Process#Package_quality_expectations_for_submissions_into_.2A:Testing_projects
> > >>
> > >> Either we start enforcing it for everything or we have to modify
> > >> the rules to fit reality... Proposals welcome?
> > >
> > > So what was missing from this submission, the ACCEPTED stat?
> > > Without snake oiling (i.e. calling/msging the prog managers) it
> > > can take weeks to have it.
> > 
> > What was missing was that basically nobody else but the package
> > sender was informed of the upcoming package before it was actually
> > sent to Trunk:Testing.
> > 
> > With Feature requests, the additions are more clearly
> > planned (and that process perhaps needs some kind of a speedup).
> > 
> > But having that is still better than a bug-avalanche for
> > inflowing packages people are submitting without asking anyone.
> 
> Which, as Arjan suggested, is EXACTLY what a community based project
> is supposed to have, "inflowing packages people are submitting without
> asking anyone".  If/when we get there, I'd call that a measure of
> success.
> 
> <tangent>
> This might not be such a problem if the community OBS would get it's
> act together and start accepting SR's to Extras (or Surrounds, or
> *any* non-home project).  I've got a package I submitted to Extras 3
> weeks ago now[1] yet it's still sitting there with no action and no
> visibility as to what the hold up is, or how  much longer it will sit
> there :/
> 
> It's beginning to feel alot like the Apple AppStore submission
> process, a black hole.
> </tangent>
> 
> Shane...

Forgot the reference:

[1]https://build.pub.meego.com/request/show/2
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