Hi all, Thanks Georg for laying this out. I really like the direction you are proposing, and I think it fits with where the discussion has landed so far.
Based on the thread and some follow up discussion, I would suggest the following approach, which I think keeps things moving while avoiding unnecessary process overhead: First, I do not think we need formal XSF approval to move forward with practical outreach materials like the flyer you describe. If the goal is to help people get started with XMPP, then just doing the work is likely more valuable than waiting for a formal stamp. Trying to frame this as an official XSF endorsed artifact also risks opening discussions about completeness and representation that we simply do not have time for before FOSDEM. So my suggestion would be: just create the flyer. Mentioning the XSF or linking to xmpp.org is fine, but without positioning it as an official or comprehensive XSF statement. From my perspective, that removes most of the risk while keeping all of the upside. On the funding side, I am confident we can sort something out one way or another, so I would not let that be a blocker. Second, building on the earlier discussion, this feels like a good opportunity for the Communications Team to play a more active role than just posting a simple message of support. A blog post on xmpp.org that: - mentions and links to the DI.DAY initiative and the shared values around decentralization and digital independence, - highlights the concrete, user friendly XMPP based projects that already fit well with DI.DAY goals, - and explicitly invites other XMPP projects to do their own outreach, recipes, or materials, would be a great way to support this effort. This also shifts the focus slightly from "projects submit a paragraph to XSF" to "projects tell their own story, and we help point people to it", which feels more scalable and more in line with the ecosystem. This way, we keep the XSF out of the critical path, we support Georgs concrete plans for FOSDEM, and we still give visibility and coordination where it makes sense. It also leaves plenty of room for others to join in, including via the existing chat where coordination is already happening. If this sounds reasonable to others, I think it gives us a clear and practical next step. Kind regards, Guus On Fri, Jan 16, 2026 at 1:24 AM Georg Lukas <[email protected]> wrote: > * Daniel Gultsch <[email protected]> [2026-01-15 13:28]: > > People have reached out to DI.DAY and the website now mentions XMPP in > > a footnote of a footnote. People are trying to get them to clean up > > the wording around that mention a bit but I’m afraid that is the > > maximum we will get out of them. I don’t think they will publish an > > official XMPP recipe. > > I agree with that assessment (for now). I want to meet with the DI.DAY > folks at FOSDEM and to talk to them about how realistic an inclusion of > an XMPP recipe on the main page would be. To improve our chances I would > like to see the following happen ahead of FOSDEM: > > > 1. Prepare (and maybe already publish) a blog post on xmpp.org, > > - mentioning and linking the initiative (I don't consider linking to > them an endorsement of Signal, but rather an endorsement of > decentralized / federated communications, which fully aligns with > our goals. > - highlighting a few XMPP-based projects that are aimed at beginners, > with one paragraph each, and maybe something like an "easy / medium > / hard" rating. I'm thinking of Quicksy, Snikket, weblin, maybe also > "regular" XMPP clients like Conversations and Monal. > - outlining whatever "network effect" functionality we have, like the > Quicksy directory, getting JIDs from address books, QR-code based > contact invitations, ... > > I hope that user-oriented projects interested in a mention can provide > a logo and a paragrpah of intro to commteam within the next week. > > My pessimist brain says that getting listed at DI.DAY will be hard > without a free, low-barrier, multi-platform client, but we can show our > best side and try. > > > 2. Axel Reimer already wrote and published repsective recipes in German > that are close enough to what I would like to see, > under https://eversten.net/tags/xmpp/ > > I would like to add English translations and to use that material as the > basis for our own outreach initiative, in whatever ways are deemed > acceptable. > > > 3. Prepare (and bring to FOSDEM) a pack of "How do I get XMPP" flyers or > leaflets, based on Axel's work. They should mention DI.DAY, and maybe > even be branded with the DI.DAY design (it is allowed to use their > styles and logos for projects that promote the digital independence > initiative, if they link to the DI.DAY site). The target audience IMO is > not so much FOSDEM visitors, but rather their friends and families. I > would like to provide the onboarding instructions for Quicksy and > Conversations/Monal, in English and German. > > I plan to prepare these flyers, either privately or with an XSF mention, > if we can get SCAM / Board approval. In the latter case, it would be > also great to get them funded from the SCAM budget. Eddie kindly offered > to print them together with the "XMPP News 2025" flyers. > > > Kind regards > > Georg >
