Terry, Yeah they are stiff, that's for sure. We are going to do some experimenting with even stiffer springs at Eastern Creek. 500 pound fronts, 1100 pound rears, but that will be later in the year. Adjustable sway bars and a strut brace are the next step in the ongoing and never ending development of the car.
We plan to test on the 17th of May at Oran Park GP circuit. This is when we will try the 14" rims. As I said at the start of my previous message, I only use the car on the track and I would not even contemplate driving it on the street - it's just too stiff, not to mention noisy as all get out! Mark. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Rudd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 7:04 PM Subject: RE: Thought I would start the evening off with a question > Mark, > > The front coil overs are seriously stiff - ~200lbs normal springs are > stiffish in the street but 375 and c/o have a ratio of ~+10% where as the > back on a 1600 have a motion ratio of ~3.8. I've been saying for a long time > that we found the 1600 handles much better if you run the back softer than > the front but you've done it to the extreme. > > BTW - have you had that run with 14" rubber on yet? > > regards > Terry > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mark Alford > Sent: Tuesday, 30 April 2002 10:29 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Thought I would start the evening off with a question > > > Leighton, > > Keep in mind my car is used only on the track, and the set-up I use would be > awful on the street. Of course some things I need to keep to myself, but > here is a basic outline. > > Front: > Adjustable strut tops (Camber and Castor) > Coil over height adjustable springs (375 pounds) > Custom made/valved koni strut inserts - externally adjustable. > Adjustable castor rods > Running approx 4 degrees neg camber, 5.5 degrees positive castor and zero > toe > > Rear: > Kings 800 pound lowered springs > Custom made/valved koni externally adjustable shocks > Adjustable rear end. > Running 1 degree neg camber and 1mm toe out. > > I am still developing this package, and believe I can get the car much > faster yet. I also plan to add adjustable sway bars (front and rear)19-24mm > front and 15-19mm rear (if possible). Also I will be adding a strut brace in > the next few weeks. > > As I said before, this package handles very well, and has the potential to > get even better. > > Mark. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Leighton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 10:08 AM > Subject: Re: Thought I would start the evening off with a question > > > > so mark can i ask what you have done to make your handling good??? > > > > > > or > > > > is it trade secrets??? > > > > thanx > > > > Leighton > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mark Alford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 9:11 AM > > Subject: Re: Thought I would start the evening off with a question > > > > > > > I agree with Terry, you can certainly get your FJ to handle well. > > > > > > I run an FJ in my race car (improved production). Due to being a near > > stock > > > engine, I don't have the horsepower of some other cars - including > worked > > up > > > L20's. Having said this, I'm still two seconds a lap quicker (Eastern > > Creek) > > > than the above mentioned L20 powered 1600. > > > > > > I have been told by numerous people that the weight difference is about > > > 15kg, this is something that can easily be worked around. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Mark. > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Terry Rudd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 11:35 PM > > > Subject: RE: Thought I would start the evening off with a question > > > > > > > > > > What poor handling with a FJ20 engine - it's crap as in urban myth. > > > > > > > > If you do stupid things like lowering it by a crazy amount, sure it > wont > > > > handle well but that goes for an L engine or any other of them too. If > > you > > > > follow the guidelines in the Whiteline article, especially in regards > to > > > > front/rear ride height variance (i.e. max front lower by 25mm) and get > > as > > > > much of everything as adjustable as you can afford, wide low profile > > tyres > > > > etc, your FJ powered 1600 will still out handle the majority of sports > > > cars > > > > on the road and you wont build muscles like Arny in the process. > > > > > > > > regards > > > > Terry > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Leighton > > > > Sent: Monday, 29 April 2002 5:34 PM > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Subject: Thought i would start the evening off with a question > > > > > > > > > > > > OK i have been talking to steve newing tonight - good bloke - any way > we > > > > were discussing the poor handling that is inherant with transplanting > an > > > > Fj20det in to a datto 1600 - i thought that they werent crazily > heavy - > > > yes > > > > i know they are heavy however i am doing this conversion cos of the > > > > achievable cheap power???now i dont wanna start anything cos i want to > > > have > > > > lots to do with SR's and Ca's alsoin the future but the FJ is my cheap > > > > reliable power house for the moment > > > > > > > > any way i was wondering whether those of you who had Fj 20dets in ther > > > 1600 > > > > what you have done to cater for the poor handling - and even if you > have > > > > been successfull in aachieving good handling with these engines in a > > 1600? > > > > > > > > > > > > how heavy are these engines??? i mean i dont think i have ever got a > > > figure > > > > that every one has agreed on??? > > > > > > > > any way any opinions / stories etc would be great - cos i wanna use my > > car > > > > on the track a little so im not really stressed about it but i would > > like > > > to > > > > im porve it any way > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanx > > > > > > > > > > > > Leighton > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --membersozdat------------------------------------------------------- OZDAT Mailing List Please Note:- Send (un)subscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send submissions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] No unauthorised redistribution of this email http://www.ozdat.com/ozdatonline/index.htm http://www.ozdat.com/ozdatonline/listindex.html http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------
