Hi there everyone this is way off topic.
I joined a Honda List a couple of weeks ago for a mate who needed a wiring diagram
for his car.
Any how they have been winging about Honda's getting serviced and coming back
with brake problems for a while now.
I have never had any hassles with Master cylinders dying like this before.
Could you please have a read at the attached Two? emails below and see if we can come
up with any thoughts or thoughts.
Thanks Guys.
I will forward the good bits.
I think this might be a interesting topic.
Rick White
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This does seem to be a common problem with late model Honda's. Our '94 Legend
has had the Master Cylinder overhauled twice (110,000 km and 150,000km). I
wasn't too impressed with the need for the second overhaul.
The dealer doing our car also said they have to be very careful in bleeding
the brakes, and that Honda had changed the recommended brake bleed service
from 12months/20,000km to 24months/40,000 kms because replacing master
cylinders had become too common at 80,000 kms. On some models it was becoming
a standard replacement because otherwise there were too many customer
complaints about 'brake pedal droop' after the service.
Bit of a shock after having Old Honda's that go for decades without requiring
brake system overhauls.
I've wondered if the accelerated wear has anything to do with the ALB system.
I've noticed with the Legend that while braking on rough surfaces (eg: pot
holes, road repairs) that when the rear wheels hit the bumps, the ALB will
momentairily 'kick back'. I've wondered if the 'kick back' accelerates the
wear. Anyone else have any experience with this ?
Murray.
On Tue, 28 May 2002 10:19, Imarine wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Just had the same done by Honda on my 96 Integra Gsi. They explained to
> me that when bleeding the brakes there was a possibility of having to
> also do the master. However they have done many cars now and by being
> very careful how they bleed them they have not had a problem with any
> car so far. They made it clear to me before doing it though that there
> was a possibility that the price may include (after phone confirmation
> to go ahead) a master.
>
> Hope this helps
>
> Cheers
> Justin
>
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>
> Hi,
>
> I have just paid $550 for my 80,000 klm service on my 94
> Accord, including a brake bleed.
>
> When I picked up my car, the brakes were soft and I would
> hit the stop sitting at traffic lights.
>
> I went back to Honda and asked them to check it out and fix
> it. They called me back and said "well your master is gone
> and we need to replace it or get a new kit."
> I said do what you have to do. They said it would cost me $185.
>
> I was outraged and called the NRMA asking for help
> (I am not a member).
>
> The Tech at NRMA said the brakes should have
> been pressure bled to stop the master seals from going.
>
> Honda insists that they pressure bled the brakes. The
> lady at Honda also let slip that this happened to another
> customer just recently, after they bled the brakes the
> master failed.
>
> Does anybody believe I am liable for the cost of the
> labour as well as the kit? Surely, the bleeding caused the
> master to fail and they should pay.
>
> The master may have gone in time, but to me what they
> have done is the same as me getting my car back from a
> service with a hole in the piston, because they were revving the
> engine for 6 hours at 6000rpm until a piston fails and saying "it's
> unfortunate it happened, but the piston would have failed
> eventually anyway"
>
> Any advice or ideas? Similar experiences?
>
> This is my forst service since I bought the car, and I wanted to
> get a quality service, and pay more for "properly trained Honda
> service people".
>
> Kind Regards,
> Tomek Wolny
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