James,

Looks like just you and I around here tonight.

Water overflow leaking - you mean full to the brim and out it's overflow. If
so this sounds like blown head gasket to me - and you don't necessarily have
to get oil & water mixed to have a blown head gasket. There's a couple of
ways to check for a blown head gasket. A CO2 sniffer is the fail safe way,
most radiator workshops will have one. Another sign is very fast pressure
build up in the radiator and a constant stream of bubbles especially when
blipping the throttle. A breach in the gasket between a water passage and
the cylinder is the most common area a head gasket will fail. Compression
pressure in the cooling system causes a few things to happen - you get close
to even pressure either side of the water pump which means the water flow
stops or reduces quite a bit - that leads to no heat exchange via the
radiator. Then there's the radiator cap, a new one on a 1600 is rated at 13
psi or 90ish kpa. If the pressure in the radiator gets to that level then
the cap lets it escape and takes a fair amount of water with it - straight
into the overflow bottle. This event can even be quite violent, to the point
were the cap can stop it until the pressure drops considerably below 13 psi.
Now you have another problem i.e. a vastly reduced amount of water in the
radiator which then leads to overheating.

You can see from this that this sort of head gasket breach escalates to a
critical situation very quickly. If you ever get stuck in the bush with this
sort of problem you can do a couple of things to slow up the loss of water.
Remove the thermostat to allow more circulation, run the heater on full
open, run the radiator cap on the first stage to allow the pressure to
escape gradually from the cooling system and carry a quantity of water and
check the level as soon as the gauge starts to rise. I drove a car many
years ago that blew a gasket on the way to holidays, i.e. trailer and family
onboard and it even survived the drive home over the Clyde mountain in the
cool of the evening and I only had to top up the water after the climb at
Braidwood.

Oil in water usually indicates a far serious condition i.e. cracked head.

regards
Terry

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Sent: Friday, 12 July 2002 8:31 PM
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Subject: water probs


okay i just organised the starter motor when i was reminded of another
problem and they want it fixed. I started it up and took it for a drive
(1600 with an L20B) prolly 3 minutes of driving and about the same warm up
time, plus a 25 min drive to my house yesterday, and bam the radiator is
empty and she's over heated. Couldnt see any signs of leakin from hoses, but
the overflow bottle was leaking water. it runs standard engine fan and has
been doing it for a while apparently. I said it could be thermostat, and at
worst head gasket. i will be checkin the oil tomorrow but its not blowing
any crazy amount of smoke and it seems to be running okay. Any ideas??

James



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