what GT are u getting? GT2540? Heath ----- Original Message ----- From: Ben C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:18 PM Subject: Re: suspension questions
> well, thats 140kw with the stock turbo :) > > the GT turbs i get will sure make the numbers shoot up :P > > -----Original Message----- > From: "mark krawczuk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 22:26:33 +1030 > Subject: Re: suspension questions > > yeah but, my combo is putting out MORE power than some sr20t i`ve > seen.;-))) AND fj 20 t > > > > mark k > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ben C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 9:15 PM > Subject: Re: suspension questions > > > > oh no thanx.....i got a SR20T ;)...dont wanna go backwards in technology > :P > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: "james wade" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 19:17:46 +1030 > > Subject: RE: suspension questions > > > > Marks engine is a l20/z18t hybrid. L20B block with a Z18 cross flow head > (if I recall correctly.) > > -james > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:membersozdat_owner@;datascribe.com.au] On Behalf Of Ben C > > Sent: Wednesday, 30 October 2002 4:39 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: suspension questions > > > > well, i just near $6k putting it in.....so im a bit short of $$$...and > when some more $$ do come along...ill have 250rwkw :P > > > > what engine is it anyway?? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: "mark krawczuk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 16:14:09 +1030 > > Subject: Re: suspension questions > > > > hmmm you could buy my engine 158 kw @ rear wheels.....;-) > > > > > > mark k > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ben C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 2:30 PM > > Subject: Re: suspension questions > > > > > > > on the topic of suspension, could someone give me some strating points > of > > what i can do with my bluebird (no comments about putting it on the tip > > either :P ) > > > > > > be looking at 140rwkw, currently it has superlow king springs all round, > a > > 35mm front R31 swaybar, and stock shocks > > > > > > what brand shocks should i get?? nothing stupidly priced (up to $400 an > > end) > > > > > > front end alignment settings?? ill be making up some adjustable strut > tops > > > > > > keep the 35mm swaybar?? or go thicker?? > > > > > > keep the rear swaybar??...(its solid axle) > > > > > > open or welded diff?? (LSD is not an option) > > > > > > cheers > > > ben > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: andrew smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 21:08:38 +0800 > > > Subject: Re: suspension questions > > > > > > A guy i know raced a 1600 with a 275hp sr20 for many years.His settings > > were > > > also very similar to yours but had a wider track due to flared gaurds > and > > large > > > rims/tyres.He only ever used the rear sway bar for tight motorkhanas etc > > to stop > > > excessive loading of the outside front.He also swore by the use of a > well > > setup > > > clutch type lsd's as locked diffs can induce sliding coming into corners > > and > > > wheel spinning coming out.He was telling me that when he fitted the huge > > rear > > > wing that he had to add heaps more breakaway pressure to the diff to > stop > > it > > > single wheeling.He said the wing virtually stoped wheelspin and even > > though it > > > was slower down the straight with the wing he still picked up a second a > > lap.His > > > car held the under 2L lap record for a number of years and was a regular > > class > > > winner. > > > > > > Cam McKinnon wrote: > > > > > > > It's interesting too hear about the rear bar....I think from memory TR > > > > suggests the same thing i.e. don't use one. > > > > > > > > Re the koni's, they were just off the shelf, but as an indication at > > full > > > > hard setting (rebound) were I have them set at the moment, they are > that > > > > stiff that it takes a couple of minutes just too pull them out by hand > > so > > > > you can bolt them to the A arm. > > > > > > > > I'm starting to think that I've over-tightened the shock settings and > as > > the > > > > body rolls on a corner and lifts the inside wheel, the shock is > holding > > that > > > > inside wheel up off the ground taking away my precious traction. > > > > > > > > It was quite sickening to see a AU XR6 (admittedly a full-on Procar > GTP > > > > production race-car) rip car-lengths out of me in the corners > .....lucky > > the > > > > ol' datto had the legs in the straights to rip a dozen car lengths > back > > out > > > > of him :)) > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > Cam > > > > CM510 > > > > www.sprite.com.au/cm510 > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Mark Alford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 10:30 PM > > > > Subject: Re: suspension questions > > > > > > > > > Cam, > > > > > > > > > > I agree with you - the rear end of the 1600 is very difficult to > > set-up, > > > > > that's a big part of the reason why I am now building the Sunny (as > a > > race > > > > > car), the live rear end is easier to get right - plus it should be > at > > > > least > > > > > 60-80kg's lighter :)) > > > > > > > > > > In regars to the konis - have you had them valved to suit the > springs? > > I > > > > was > > > > > running 800 pound springs in my 1600, and only had them set to half > a > > turn > > > > > (Koni Yellow's) from full soft - but they were revalved from new to > > suit > > > > the > > > > > springs. > > > > > > > > > > The wheel alignment settings are simialr to what I ran. I was > running > > 1 > > > > > degree neg camber at rest with zero toe - so that should be pretty > > right - > > > > > but I was only running a naturally aspirated FJ - so no where near > the > > > > > horsepower you are trying to put down (another reason for the > sunny - > > this > > > > > time we are FJ turbo - with plenty of mods) > > > > > > > > > > Another thing you could try is no rear bar at all. I know this > sounds > > odd > > > > > but I tried it at the last race meeting I ran at Eastern creek. I > was > > only > > > > > running a soft bar to begin with, but when I dropped the bar off, I > > picked > > > > > up just over 1.5 seconds a lap! This was done on the same day, same > > > > weather > > > > > conditions, same tyre pressures, same shock settings. Only > difference > > was > > > > > the rear bar was removed. I think it allowed the back end to be a > > little > > > > > more compliant with the road - it was certainly a softer set up. > > > > > > > > > > I would be wary of going to soft with the springs, it's only going > to > > > > induce > > > > > more squat = more camber = more wheel spin. > > > > > > > > > > I actually changed the pick up points on my swing arms, then added > > > > eccentric > > > > > (spelling???) bushes for adjustment of camber and toe. But at the > end > > of > > > > the > > > > > day, my setting were similar to yours so it shouldn't make much > > > > difference. > > > > > > > > > > It was hard to set up the rear end with a naturally aspirated FJ - I > > don't > > > > > envy you trying to do it with the horsepower you have - goodluck. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MArk. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Cam McKinnon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 11:31 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: suspension questions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do you think about he rear suspension Mark? > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm just about over the arse end of a 1600, IMHO a big handicap on > > the > > > > > race > > > > > > track. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have 800lb rears with the koni's screwed up as hard as they will > > go > > > > with > > > > > > say .75 deg neg camber and zero toe and mid setting rear bar. > (with > > > > locked > > > > > > R3.9 and decent 225/50/15 Rspec bags) > > > > > > > > > > > > At any point other than straight ahead it's wheel spin city from > the > > > > > moment > > > > > > of any power application. As you'd know if you are > spinning....they > > are > > > > > > winning. > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm thinking of going back to a softer rear spring and shock with > a > > > > firmer > > > > > > rear bar, > > > > > > > > > > > > Ideas?? > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > > > > > Cam > > > > > > CM510 > > > > > > www.sprite.com.au/cm510 > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Mark Alford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 11:21 PM > > > > > > Subject: Re: suspension questions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Robbie, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Before you go forking out a load of hard earned money - take the > > car > > > > to > > > > > a > > > > > > > good wheel alignment guy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would suggest looking at your alignmet settings prior to > > changing > > > > > > > components. If you still use the car as a daily driver, anything > > you > > > > do > > > > > > will > > > > > > > be a comprimise, but I would be aiming for loads of positive > > castor (5 > > > > > > > degrees if you can get it - but this will make the steering > quite > > > > quite > > > > > > > heavy) and up to 4.5 degrees negative camber (no good for the > > street > > > > > > > though - so adjustable strut tops could be a good option, > depends > > how > > > > > > > serious you want to get.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course your ride height and quality of components like shocks > > will > > > > > come > > > > > > > into play - but it would be interesting to find out what your > > wheel > > > > > > > alignment settings are right now before you make any > adjustments. > > At > > > > > > > leastthen you will know what adjustments are working and what > > > > > adjustments > > > > > > > have little or no effect. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: "Robbie vidler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 4:45 PM > > > > > > > Subject: suspension questions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > had my first hill climb in my 1975 datsun 180b SSS on > sunday... > > the > > > > > car > > > > > > > got > > > > > > > > around in an ok time despite handling like a dog ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it was understeering big time when i thought i'd have trouble > > > > keeping > > > > > it > > > > > > > > from over steering, however it rarely let go of the rear end. > > > > > > > > the front springs are to soft and the whole car in my opinion > > sits > > > > to > > > > > > > high. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i am wondering how much lower then standard can i go 2.5" or > 3". > > the > > > > > car > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > unknown front shocks and munroe adjustables on the rear, i > don't > > > > know > > > > > > hwo > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > adjust them though. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after a suspension inspection these items were suggested. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rh inner tie rod end > > > > > > > > lower inners > > > > > > > > radius rod bushes > > > > > > > > lh lower ball joint > > > > > > > > idler arm > > > > > > > > rear lower arm bushes > > > > > > > > rear shocks > > > > > > > > quote > > > > > > > > $1000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this sounded a little excessive to me, and the rear shocks > > appear ok > > > > > to > > > > > > > me? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i'm wondering which of these things i could do myself and what > > else > > > > > > could > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > do to make the car more determined to turn in? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks robbie. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --membersozdat------------------------------------------------------- OZDAT Mailing List Please Note:- Send (un)subscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send submissions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] No unauthorised redistribution of this email http://www.ozdat.com/ozdatonline/index.htm http://www.ozdat.com/ozdatonline/listindex.html http://www.mail-archive.com/membersozdat@;datascribe.com.au/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------
