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Heath,
 
Errol and I have both written about scrub radius, usually when the subject of using R31 struts on a 1600 comes up. The R31 steering geometry is unusual for a rear wheel drive vehicle as negative to zero scrub radius is common in front wheel drive vehicles - my 1600 is typical of modified reasonably handling 1600's and has somewhere around 3" positive scrub radius, it could even be more than that as it's been an age since I measured it.. Part of the theory behind the use of 0 scrub is that it lightens the steering, hence the use on FWD vehicles, but one thing for certain is -0 scrub doesn't improve a 1600 handling one iota. Exactly how the R31 overcomes this as well as it does is not immediately apparent to me - Errol may have a view as he owns a R31 too. I know that my 1600 leaves my son's Skyline for dead through the tight stuff - the Gibson RB30 (150kw) holds it's own in a straight line though. Driving a R31 in the wet is also something akin to a 1600/FJET experience, as in nigh impossible, although the rear of the Skyline in the wet also wants to turn you around.
 
Here's a layman's definition and also a few words about "squirm" which is related.
 
Scrub radius is the distance at the road surface between the tyre line (which is an imaginary line vertically drawn through the centre of the tyre) and the steering axis inclination line extended downward through the steering axis. The line through the steering axis creates a pivot point around which the tire turns. If these lines intersect at the road surface, a zero scrub radius would be present. When the intersection is below the surface of the road, this is positive scrub radius. Conversely, when the lines intersect above the road, negative scrub radius is present. The point where the steering axis line contacts the road is the fulcrum pivot point on which the tyre is turned. Squirm occurs when the scrub radius is at zero. When the pivot point is in the exact centre of the tyre footprint, this causes scrubbing action in opposite directions when the wheels are turned. Tyre wear and some instability in corners is the result.
 
Here's a picture that I just found on a wheel alignment site on the web with a few more words - pics are worth 1000 words and all that stuff. This example shows positive scrub radius i.e. the intersection of the lines is below the road.
 

Scrub Radius

Scrub radius is the distance between where the SAI intersects the ground and the center of the tire. This distance must be exactly the same from side to side or the vehicle will pull strongly at all speeds. While included angle problems will affect the scrub radius, it is not the only thing that will affect it. Different wheels or tires from side to side will cause differences in scrub radius as well as a tire that is low on air. Positive scrub radius is when the tire contact patch is outside of the SAI pivot, while negative scrub radius is when the contact patch is inboard of the SAI pivot (front wheel drive vehicles usually have negative scrub radius).

If the brake on one front wheel is not working, with positive scrub radius, stepping on the brake will cause the steering wheel to try to rip out of your hand. Negative scrub radius will minimize that effect.

Scrub radius is designed at the factory and is not adjustable. If you have a vehicle that is pulling even though the alignment is correct, look for something that will affect scrub radius.

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Heath
Sent: Thursday, 15 December 2005 5:44 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: r31 wheels on 180b

Errol what exactly do you mean by scrub, i meant to ask, a while ago when i think you or Terry brought it up.
 
thanks
Heath
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 9:49 AM
Subject: RE: r31 wheels on 180b

Depending on which struts are fitted to your 180B, they will fit on the hubs of the later thick stub struts. Depending on which R31 rims you are fitting, they may cause steering problems due to the offset causing negative scrub on the steering when the 180B struts are suited for conventional "0" scrub.
 
Cheers
Feral Errol
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of daniel foster
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 9:46 AM
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Subject: r31 wheels on 180b

hey guys
im wondering if 15" r31 skyline wheels will fit on a 180b
thanks

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