Over time, I have posted things that some here find to be 'woo’ or
some such thing. Not having found out for sure what the term means, I
merely project.

>From a major Buddhist and Scientific email group, I found the
following post this morning. I emailed Lawrence and received his
permission to copy his post here. So, some of what he says will
clearly be out of context here without the posts before and after it.
Yet, I fond the way he writes and some of the information he imparts
to be of note so thought I’d share it here. While he will not be able
to defend himself unless we invite him to join in, any sort of
discussion you want to have about it would be nice.

================================


Hi Jan and everyone!

Jan, I was hoping we were going to meet at the last AAPB meeting,
that's the Assoc. for Applied Psychophysiology and Biofeedback, where
we were both offering seminars on meditation last spring. I'm sorry
you had to cancel at the last minute. I've been doing programs there
and elsewhere on the science and art of meditation for many years.
Perhaps we'll meet at the April meeting in Albuquerque. (www.aapb.org
for those interested in learning about this organization)

The research on physiological correlations of meditation go back into
the 1950's where researchers put yogic meditators in a airtight box
and discovered they used 50-60% less oxygen than was thought necessary
to sustain life, and they got up and walked away perfectly fine
afterwards! Almost the whole field of biofeedback grew out of early
studies of yogis and Zen masters. It's always surprising to me how
little the meditation researchers seem to be aware of the biofeedback
and neurofeedback research and practice, though Rich Davidson was one
of the keynote speakers at the AAPB conference a couple of years back.
I'll be giving another half day seminar there on the science and art
of meditation and yogic breathing. Breath work, pranayama and HRV,
heartrate variability training, also have a profound impact on our
physiology and state of conscousness.

I use simple biofeedback equipment to teach mindfulness meditation
practices to children and adult for everything from peak performance
training for elite swimmers being coached by an olympic coach, to
individuals with stress, anxiety, high blood pressure, PTSD, etc.
Neurofeedback, which enables you to learn to directly control the
brain, is used for treating ADHD, OCD, head trauma, PTSD, anxiety,
autism, learning disorders, etc. These methods are also used for
training meditation. I got into the field of biofeedback after
teaching meditation for 25 years around the world and seeing that
there were always people who couldn't get into the state of
meditation. 11 years ago a colleague told me they were using
biofeedback and neurfeedback to train people and that's when I added
it to my practice. It's extremely beneficial for meditators and when
used appropriately and skillfully for clinical disorders.

One very important caveat we have to always be mindful of when
discussing physiological correlates of meditation and states of
consciousness is that tmany of he Eastern meditation disciplines come
from an idealist, monistic philosophical perspective, not the
materialist perspective that scientific research and western
psychological perspectives adhere to. So the yogic, Hindu, Buddhist
perspectives don't look to material causes for consciousness.
Consciousness exists independent of the body/brain. So out-of-body
experiences, past lives, post death, pre birth experiences are all
possible and accepted as such, not needing to be dismissed as a
materialist perspective needs to do because there is no material
basis, no living brain present, to explain the basis for any such
conscious experience. Thus scientism dismisses, explains away or
pathologizes such experiences.

So when the ordinary ego mind, conditioned by western materialist
perspectives, attempts to understand "enlightenment", it does so from
within this box. The meditaiton disciplines and practices are all
about completely and utterly dissolving the box, even the notion, the
experience of being bound by the brain/body and conditioned mind; a
mind conditioned to be thoroughly identified with roles, gender, body,
etc.

While these meditative and yogic practices produce remarkable and
measurable effects on the brain and body, ranging from changes in
cortical thickness in specific areas of the brain, to frontal lobe
changes, temporal lobe changes, lasting changes in alpha levels during
waking state, immune system changes, lowering of blood pressure,
lowering of cholesterol, etc., etc.,from the meditative perspective,
these are all side-effects.

The paradigm clash between the meditative perspectives and science has
been written about for decades by Roger Walsh, Ken Wilber, etc. His
Holiness the Dalai Lama can have wonderful, meaningful, invaluable
conversations with physicists, neurologists, etc. and appear to be on
the same page, but as soon as he brings up something like yogic
masters being able to leave the body and enter another's body, the
scientists suddenly head for the exits! Not literally, they laugh
politely, as they did when this once happened, and mentally leave the
discussion and bring it back to a domain they are familiar and
comfortable with.

State of enlightenment, or nirvana, "extinguished", having the
condition mind and it's primal avidya, ignorance, and the desires and
attachments this gives birth to extinguished, is a living state beyond
whether the instrument of the brain is showing an orienting reflex and
shutting down alpha rythms or not.

The yogic/Buddhist literature is also clear that enlightenment doesn't
necessarily involve siddhis, extraordinary powers. Ananda, Buddha's
closest disciple became enlightened and didn't have powers, while
others around Buddha became enlightened and did. It's irrelevant to
the the enlightened state. However, to the ego mind, which is
thoroughly conditioned to seek after power and efficacy in the
ordinary world, powers are marvelously attractive and thus a very
enticing trap.

The instrument for measuring consciousness that would be refined
enough to assess the changes in consciousness that are associated with
enlightenment is consciousness itself. Thus a master, one with higher
levels of refined consciousness, is always necessary. And whether
material research ever finds a definitive set of neuro-physiological
correlates to the sublime state of consciousness which we are capable
of, with unbounded compassion, love, kindness and joy, will likely
remain basically irrelevant to the dedicated practitioners and masters
of yoga and meditation.

The research does serve as a valuable bridge for many to see what
meditation and yogic practices can do. This has given me and many
teachers entry to lecturing in medical schools, hospitals,
universities, etc. that wouldn't have been possible without the
research. It is our body/high performance/ health conscious culture
that has had its attention drawn to meditation and its benefits so
that it gets written up in the Wall Street Journal, Time, etc., etc.
It's great. And it reflects the desires and attachments of our culture
for health, preserved youth, peak performance, competitive edge, etc.

The mind move from the concrete to the abstract. I've had many clients
who started these practices purely for the concrete health benefits
and once they've had their migraines leave, their blood pressure drop,
etc. they begin to discover that they have this innate capacity to
experience an inner spaciousness of awareness within which the mind
and body are preceived and beyond which lies an infinitude of simply
being! It is a profound and truly awesome discovery to watch people
make over and over again as they get beyond the limited confines of
the ordinary condtioned ego mind. This is possible anywhere,
everywhere with anyone and everyone. I've done probably 150 programs
in prisons and seen individuals within even that horrifically
stressful and bound environment changes their consciousness and tell
me they are freer than they have ever been. Fleet Maul wrote a
wonderful book called Dharma In Hell about living and teaching
meditation and dharma
to inmates while being one himself.

What a great journey we are all on!

May all our practices truly benefit everyone and may all beings become
completely free of suffering.

With great respect,
Lawrence Edwards, Ph.D.
Founder & Director
The Anam Cara Foundation
www.anamcara-ny.org

www.optimalmind.net



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