".. I see that you also studied with Patrick Watson or at least in his school. I heard that he was both very skilled and also very concieted..." - Ish
I knew Patrik and studied with him for years. We even studied Tibetan Medicine for a few years together. You can find a photo of us together on my website. He was very skilled. In fact, he was the only student of Cheng Man-Ching’s to be told to start a Tai Chi School of teachers. He did and I was blessed enough to be a part of this process. As an aside, we were members of the same mystical school. As to his character, others can say what they project. I loved the man and wept at his death. I have always wanted to do a book “Meetings With Remarkable Men II”…so far, not so much headway there. Oh, as another aside, Patrick learned Hawaiian Swimming from a Kahuna while he lived over there. He taught this to those of us who wanted to learn at our Summer Teacher’s Tai Chi camps. Wonderful times! Thanks for the information on your teachers too! Some members of our school have played with differing top teachers too. Personally, I found no need nor desire to do so. While I was certified to teach many levels of the form, just the first third, at beginning level, has enough of the principles (all of ‘em in fact) to keep one busy for an entire lifetime! On Jan 5, 8:42 pm, Isparklaria <[email protected]> wrote: > Orn, > > I study with many teachers including William C. C. Chen. I was months > away from getting instructor certification by him when I was offered a > job in Costa Rica. I never followed through when I returned. William > Chen is highly skilled an excellent teacher, but he emphasizes sport > fighting and I was thrity nine years old when I first went to study > with him. I have studied with several high level tai chi men and a few > top qi gong guys also. > > By the way here is a link to some info about Jeffrey Yuen. > > http://www.jadepurityfoundation.org/master.html > > On Jan 5, 10:28 pm, Isparklaria <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Orn, > > > Did you study with J. R. Worsley. I heard good things about this > > classical method. Now TCM is what you need to study to pass the test. > > The problem is that it is a conglomerate of so many styles of > > acupuncture that it is impossible to attain any depth in the method. I > > met a woman in 1995 who had finished studying with Worsley, but she > > needed to study TCM to pass the NY state licensing examination. I had > > the good fortune to study a little herbal medicine and also a little > > Taoism with Jeffrey Yuen. If you don't know of him he is a Taoist > > priest and renowned teacher of acupuncture herbal medicine. I had an > > opportunity to be one of his first group of acupuncture students, but > > I was already get burned out in the health field as a massage > > therapist. Now I kind of wish I had done that even though life seems > > to be offering me some other opportunities that are more in line with > > my personality. > > > On Jan 5, 10:06 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > For more about Sun Tsu, the standard source has some on > > > him.http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Sun+Tsu > > > I read his Art book many years ago. If you appreciate the general > > > motif, any of the classics will further, from the Yellow Emperor to > > > the I Ching...from the Tao Te Ching to any good book on the game of > > > Go. > > > > I had some wonderful books on Japanese art and architecture when I was > > > a kid. I was always attracted to their esthetics too. > > > > I started to study Tai Chi around 1970 and have been an instructor for > > > decades.http://www.taichifoundation.org/Yes, this has its origins in China > > > too. > > > > I first learned the game of Go in the late 1950s and never played > > > chess after doing so. > > > >http://www.usgo.org/index.htmlAnd, yes even though it is the national > > > game of Japan, it is believed to have originated at least 3,000 years > > > ago in China. > > > > I studied 5 element acupuncture, admittedly of Chinese origin for a > > > few years, after having studied Tibetan medicine for a few years > > > too.http://worsleyacupuncture.com/http://www.tibetanmedicine.com/index.html > > > > It was only after studying acupuncture that I finally groked Taoism. > > > > The cultures, while intertwined, have enormous differences. This is > > > easily studied. > > > > On Jan 5, 1:27 pm, CrossBow <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Oh, I believe the trial was real we have to cover our asses to some > > > > degree. I don't personally know of anyone that thinks Bush didn't > > > > fabricate > > > > an excuse anymore, but I suppose you can find them up the road in the > > > > closest baptist church. Check out the Great Derangement when you have > > > > time...one link I posted had a free e version. I would be pissed if I > > > > was a > > > > reporter in this era, how the hell would you know if what you see with > > > > your > > > > own eyes is real? > > > > > Pre-emptive strike is only used to effect if it can be successful.. this > > > > Bush whack-job was not in the long perspective was it? It was a > > > > bitchslap > > > > that hit the person standing next to the one you wanted to hit, > > > > respectively > > > > eh? > > > > > On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Isparklaria <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Whether or not shock and awe was out of Sun Tzu or not, Bush made some > > > > > concessions to modern geopolitical realities by giving a shout before > > > > > the attack. The surprise was lost (Sun Tzu uses surprise as one of his > > > > > most important weapons) but we looked a bit better in the eyes of the > > > > > world by offering not to attack if Sadam Hussien would agree to leave > > > > > the country. THat way the whole thing could look like Saddam's fault. > > > > > If he would just leave, we wouldn't need to attack. > > > > > > Right now I am wondering whether or not the real Saddam did leave the > > > > > country. Perhaps Bush wanted to attack under any circumstances. > > > > > Perhaps the trial was just a show with a fake Saddam and the execution > > > > > also faked. Well this is probably not the case but I rarely refrain > > > > > from questioning the information we are fed. > > > > > > As for the current sittuation. I don't know if it was planned, but in > > > > > the long run it may very well benefit the neocons. The mess is so bad, > > > > > I don't know if it can be improved much in 4 or 8 years. Soon the > > > > > masses will be ready the typical chicken hawk neocon candidates again. > > > > > Hopefully Obama will be a wise comader in chief by using negotiation, > > > > > embargos, threats of violence, violence and what ever other policies > > > > > he need to use. It is funny to say that violence can make the world a > > > > > more peaceful place, but sometimes the situation calls for it. In my > > > > > opinion even premtion is a good tactic, when used properly. Bushes > > > > > reckless use of preemption has made a good tactic look bad. > > > > > > On Jan 5, 2:57 pm, CrossBow <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Was "Shock and Awe" exposed, given a shout out, before it was > > > > > implemented? I > > > > > > can't remember. If so, it would not be as effective as Sun Tzu > > > > > > would use > > > > > > it, which would be much quieter, and with more deciet. And, it > > > > > > would > > > > > have > > > > > > been effective because we would have know the enemy much better > > > > > > that we > > > > > > did..as results have proven. Ha, I can see military history writers > > > > > slapping > > > > > > the Sun Tzu influence down in the final draft of Bush's story just > > > > > > to > > > > > make > > > > > > the shituation look like it was supposed to happen that way. Blah! > > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 2:45 PM, Isparklaria > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Sun Tzu Lives! Okay so he probably never lived to begin with but > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > link goes to a page with some infomation about how much Sun Tzu > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > influenced battles that the American army has fougt in. It > > > > > > > mentions > > > > > > > Colonel John Boyd the greatest American military strategist and > > > > > > > student of Sun Tzu's classic. > > > > > > > >http://www.artofwarsuntzu.com/america_experiences_sun_tzu.htm > > > > > > > > On Jan 5, 2:13 pm, CrossBow <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Ha ha! *Caesar was both a proficient tactician and statesman!* > > > > > > > > Too > > > > > bad > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > killed him... You on the other hand...are a brilliant tease, > > > > > > > > vino > > > > > expert, > > > > > > > > and professional provacateur! > > > > > > > > > Sun Tzu probably didn't exist...a lot like Jesus, but the work > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > attributed > > > > > > > > to him anyway. Probably a compilation of good general's work > > > > > > > > as the > > > > > > > > introduction explains. No matter, our goobers in the goverment > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > incorporate it on principle. Wishful thinking again:) > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Clogtowner > > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi y'all - my ancestors were very familiar with Caesar's > > > > > methods.... > > > > > > > > > Veni, Vidi, Vici. > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 5, 12:54 pm, CrossBow <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I may be one of the last people on Earth to read this > > > > > > > > > > thing, but > > > > > I'm > > > > > > > > > almost > > > > > > > > > > through the Introduction section and hope someone else has > > > > > > > > > > in our > > > > > > > group > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > already read it... > > > > > > > > > > > What got me to go ahead and read it was this passage that > > > > > > > > > > caught > > > > > me > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > flip through... > > > > > > > > > > > *"When Sun Tzu wrote, ware had become a dangerous business; > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > recouse > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > other means had failed. The best policy, he says, is 'to > > > > > > > > > > atack > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > enemy's > > > > > > > > > > plans'; the next best to disrupt his alliances, for 'to > > > > > > > > > > subdue > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > enemy's > > > > > > > > > > army without fighting is the acme of skill'. This indicates > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > perception > > > > > > > > > > that war was no longer a regulated pastime, but the ultimate > > > > > > > instrument > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > statecraft."* > > > > > > > > > > > I am personally curious to how similar his methods were to > > > > > Caesar's. > > > > > > > > > Caesar > > > > > > > > > > could'nt have read Sun Tzu due to the supposed time period > > > > > > > > > > of its > > > > > > > > > > creation... but Napoleon did.... > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > gnothe se auton > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > gnothe se auton- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > gnothe se auton- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > -- > > > > gnothe se auton- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Memphis Freethought Alliance" group. 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