Hi y'all - I think another important point was when separation of
church and State was mentioned  and Noah was saying that potential
Presidents can't leave their religion out of their lives - I asked if
anyone there would vote for a Muslim President who included in his
manifesto a commitment to close Post Offices on Fridays and Open them
on Sundays. I got a harsh response of "No." I don't think the
congregation have ever thought from this perspective and at least
we've made them see that there are other viewpoints.

On Jan 11, 8:21 pm, "Jason (Memphis)" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> Steve, Sheila and I attended Noah's class on the book at Oakwood
> Reformed
> Presbyterian church at 1665 S. Germantown Rd., TN.
>
> As always, everyone was extremely nice and talked to us afterward.
>
> Steve and I brought up a few typical points:
>
> 1. Atheism is not a religion and explained why.
>
> 2. Hinduism has supernatural elements such as reincarnation.  The
> author argued that Hinduism did not have supernatural elements in
> order to classify religion as any philosophy even ones without
> supernatural elements.
>
> 3.  We argued that atheism (non-belief) is robust and difficult to
> stamp out of cultures even when non-believers are burned at the
> stake.
>
> 4.  We argued that the problem is the method that religions come to
> evaluating truth, that is, by revelations of a prophet such as
> Mohammad, Jesus, Joseph Smith, etc.
>
> 5.  The author claimed that "There are three approaches that civic and
> cultural leaders around the world are using to address the
> divisiveness of religion."  (1) outlaw religion, (2) condemn religion
> and (3) radically privatize it that is keep religion completely
> private.  I pointed out that there are other approaches  (1) open
> public discourse (outside of government) about religion amongst
> various faiths and non-faiths, (2) secular governments, that is,
> separation of church and state, (3) protection of religious liberties
> in conjunction with freedom of speech to criticize religious or non-
> religious ideas and (4) so forth.
>
> Jason
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