well, for military applications, .223 is lighter and you can carry way more of it and you can fire it much more accurately on auto or 3 rnd burst than .308 becuase of the low recoil. Imagine a .308 machine gun (M-60...huge). Even on semi-auto, follow up shots with .223 are much easier (multiple assailants).
I wasn't saying those other cartridges are bad, I was saying that 5.56 is NOT bad. I have been thinking myself of getting Bushmasters new AR-10 type rifle, which is .308. Now for large game - bear, moose, elk, etc, .223 will NOT do the job and .308 would be more versatile going in the person to large animal direction, IMO. Christopher --- JabbaHursty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > what is the advantage though over something like a > .308? frankly, if i had > to shoot someone, i'd rather do it with a .308 than > .223. I am missing > something? > > At 03:07 PM 7/11/2005, you wrote: > >IMO 5.56 (.223) when loaded to full NATO spec (or a > >little hotter (IMI (Israeli Military Industries)) > esp > >with the SS109 bullet (US mil rnd M855 (with steel > >pentrator)) AND when shot out of a full length > barrel > >(not M4 short barrel) is extremely effective. > Beucase > >of the high velocity and low mass of the bullet, it > >tumbles shortly after entering the body...making a > >small entrance would but a terrible mess inside, > esp > >after it brakes in half at the cannelure. The > Russians > >have taken the idea further in the AK-74 with > 5.45mm > >round (that's smaller than a .22! - but ultra > fast). > > > >Also, if the doodie ever hits the fan, there will > be > >lots of it around. Was at a gun shop 2 days ago and > >they are having trouble getting 5.56 as it's going > to > >Iraq and even other rounds are getting scarcer as > ammo > >makers convert to 5.56 production. No doubt ALOT of > >shooting is going on in Iraq and Afghanistan. > > > >P.S. lacquered cases - might work fine in Commie > guns, > >but not in an AR over time...our specs are too > tight, > >which is fine by me, and the lacquer will build > >up...some report this, others don't, so I stick > with > >brass. Steel cases will cause wear too...harder > than > >brass. > > > >For more info on 5.56 effectiveness: > >http://www.firearmstactical.com/briefs13.htm > >(scroll down about 1/4 for the article: "Wounding > >Effects of the U.S. Military M193 (M16A1) and M855 > >(M16A2) Bullet Cartridges" > > > >http://www.firearmstactical.com/pagea18.htm > > > >Christopher > > > > > >--- JabbaHursty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > russian stuff is reasonably cheap, but it stinks > and > > > some guns can't handle > > > the lacquered steel cases. I have an older mini > 14 > > > i'm shooting it in, but > > > think i will try black hills factory reloads > next. > > > > > > i have serious doubts about the .223 as a > manstopper > > > though and still think > > > of it as a varmint type round. i kind of prefer > the > > > 7.62x39 myself over > > > the .223, but no reason to have to go military > as > > > any deer round will do > > > the job. older military such as .308 and 30/06 > or, > > > for you brits, .303, > > > will all do fine. there is also something to be > > > said for sub style > > > carbines, particularly .45 ACP tommy guns > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 10:54 AM 7/11/2005, you wrote: > > > >Just so you know, Tom Ridge and I are compiling > a > > > list of all you hate > > > >america first people. Don't be suprised if you > come > > > home some night > > > >and things look a little out of place and your > > > computer is running a > > > >little slow as it logs your key strokes. 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