I should correct myself, it was the M11 sig in .40 that the army MP's use and 
you are correct the hydrashok in 230 grain is what I use in my Kimber .45 Thats 
why in my army days Ma Deuce was my best friend

JabbaHursty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>230 grain federal hydrashok .45ACP is what I'm betting on.
>
>
>At 04:41 PM 8/27/2005, you wrote:
>>Higher velocity maybe, but if you need to use one in self defense 
>>they are totally worthless. I totally refused to carry the M9 and 
>>went with the M23 sig in .40 You run into someone messed up on drugs 
>>and the only thing a 9mm is going to do is p*ss them off. Two .45s 
>>slugs to the chest is going to knock them on their a$$
>>
>>
>>Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >The .45 is like the lottery, a tax on people who are bad at math.
>> >Force is mass times the square of velocity. The 9mm is MUCH higher 
>> velocity than the .45 with insignificantly less mass. The 9mm 
>> simply has more stopping power with less recoil and weight than the .45.
>> >
>> >.44 Mag has PLENTY of stopping power, more than the .50 IIRC but 
>> it also has PLENTY of recoil unless you've got a heavy gun or some 
>> sort of recoil reducing device.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >-Curt
>> >
>> >Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 02:04:54 -0400
>> >From: JabbaHursty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >Subject: Re: [MBZ] gun post (car only guys delete)
>> >To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>> >9mm is for euro girlie men.  .45 for real americans
>> >
>> >
>> >
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