On Oct 8, 2008, at 1:49 PM, Luther wrote:

Mathieu, you state 160F as the minimum temperature for heating the WVO to reach similar viscosity as diesel. I have heated many gallons of WVO to 220F or so (boiling off water) and it is still not as viscous as diesel. My guess, is that even around 300F or higher, the viscosity is still not similar and still could cause IP damage, not combust completely, leak past rings into engine oil, or clog up injectors and prechambers. All of the research I have read shows minor or major engine failure anywhere from 10,000mi to 50,000mi. Why run WVO and risk $500-$10,000 engine repairs or rebuilds when you can make biodiesel for less than $1/gallon? Not worth the risk in my book.

Luther

Luther,

My number of 160 F is derived from the general consensus of what was deemed acceptable by the WVO community at large (4 or so years ago when I began investigating the option) as well as a viscosity vs. temperature chart of both fluids. While that chart is highly suspect due to the variety of oils and fats found in WVO, it is inherently not reliable. I do not doubt in the least your findings.

For the record, I do have three client cars in my service with in excess of 50k miles on WVO, all OM61x variants. While they have their issues, they still running fairly well, all things considered.

I am quite aware of the damage WVO does to these motors. However, this is not going to persuade folks to run bio or pump diesel instead. Fact is some folks are going to run WVO regardless, it is their choice. I am only the guy who fixes their car when it breaks.

However, I will state that when folks contact me regarding a WVO conversion, I do recommend against it and suggest they look into bio-diesel. These motors seem to take to it quite well and there is no need for intrusive surgery and a plumbing supply store under the hood.

On that note, I am all in favor of bio-diesel if manufactured properly. Poor lab practices in the production of bio can cause its own myriad of issues as well. A proper titration is critical. Folks who "push" their reaction with an excess of methanol are only serving to destroy any rubber in their fuel system, waste methanol, and in the end are only kidding themselves.

As I tell folks, there is no free lunch. Everything has its pros and cons. The only question is when will the piper have to be paid.

Mathieu
www.oldworldauto.com


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