Well, the F-15 has mechanical linkages from the stick to the hydraulic
control valve plus an electronic (analog) Control Augmentation System (CAS)
that adds (or subtracts) from the mechanical input.  The F-15 can be flown
completely mechanically (no electrons) or completely electronically
(mechanical linkages severed) as was accidentally demonstrated on the first
flight.  Previous aircraft were mostly hydro-mechanical, sometimes with
electronic augmentation, such as a yaw damper or auto pilot.   Even really
high-tech aircraft like the SR71 wee hydro-mechanical with electronic
augmentation.  

The F-16 pioneered two main flight control areas: relaxed static stability
and complete fly by wire (no mechanical linkages at all).  The basic F-16
airplane was statically unstable at subsonic speed so these two were
complimentary: it would be very difficult to fly the airplane manually
without electronic stability enhancement in the pitch axis.  The fly by wire
was quad redundant (fail op/ fail safe) and the Block 40 and later models
transitioned to digital computers for flight control.  


Scott Ritchey
1982 300SD 230k mi

-----Original Message-----
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of John Reames
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 06:15
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] F-16 Dead-Stick Landing.......

I thought all of the US military planes prior to the F16 had that setup, and
that a good giveaway to not having that arrangement was having the stick
located other than front-and-center with respect to the pilot...

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On Jan 31, 2011, at 0:12, E M <pokieba...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Wasn't the Concorde set up this way too?
> 
> Ed
> 300E
> 
> On 30 January 2011 23:33, Scott Ritchey <ritche...@nc.rr.com> wrote:
> 
>> Well, all supersonic aircraft have hydraulically controlled surfaces and
>> most others too these days.  But even some large planes (like 707/C135)
had
>> "reversible" aero-mechanical flight controls that still worked with no
>> hydraulics.
>> 
>> Scott Ritchey
>> 1982 300SD 230k mi
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
>> On Behalf Of John Reames
>> Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 15:53
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] F-16 Dead-Stick Landing.......
>> 
>> Aren't most planes more or less fly by hydraulic; there are cables/wires
>> that run from the stick to hydraulic control units at he various control
>> surfaces...
>> 
>> With the F16, the stick is mounted on a couple of strain gauges; the
>> computers sit between the stick and the actuators at the control
>> surfaces...
>> Iirc, the response in an F16 is proportional to the force applied to the
>> stick, and not to the actual displacement of the stick. (which is like
1/2"
>> or so...)
>> 
>> Caveats--my recollection of this is from studying things when I played
>> around with falcon years ago...
>> 
>> --
>> John W Reames
>> jwrea...@comcast.net
>> Home: +14106646986
>> Mobile: +14437915905

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