I'm pretty sure that the printing of government regulations is not the primary cause of global deforestation. Last time I checked, the timber, ranching and agricultural sectors had something to do with it.
And you forgot about the hybrid and electric-car induced global rare-earth shortage that is causing dirty, polluting mines to reopen. Lee G Mann wrote: > I object, the whole idea that "electric vehicles are clean" is a > manufactured lie. > > First, the entire electronics industry uses and makes some of the nastiest > chemicals in history, which stay in the environment for lifetimes, not > days. No natural thing eats them or breaks them down. > Second, batteries, which are the heart and soul of electric cars, are a > disposal problem by themselves, and getting more so as the switch to lythium > and other exotics is made. > Third, the lie that burning coal, or nuke plants in a remote location > producing electricity to charge these electric cars is "somehow clean" cause > it doesn't happen in "my back yard" is more BS. Pollution is pollution, > nothing is "free". > Fourth, The whole idea that government and only government will make choices > for us counters the whole "land of the free, home of the brave" idea of > America. > > The real world numbers don't add up, unless you use Al Bore math, for the > whole electric car / save the earth thing. CO2 comes out of combustion,, > plants breathe CO2.... plant more, instead of chopping down trees to make > paper to print more government regulations... save the world from ignorant > decisions and "global warming" will solve it's self in the next natural > cycle ice age. > > > On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 6:07 AM, Lee <einer...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > >> Electric vehicles have a problem - grid-based electricity in the US is >> dirtier than just running an economical gas-burner. >> >> Wind power has a problem - wind being an intermittent source of energy, >> it only makes sense when coupled with a storage device, but the grid has >> zero storage capacity. >> >> But electric vehicles are a place to store energy. Maybe wind farms near >> municipalities should include wired parking lots for lots of electric >> vehicles. That would to some degree address both problems, the cars >> would charge from a clean energy source and the wind farms would be >> connected to batteries. >> >> Lee >> >> LWB250 wrote: >> >>> Points well taken, Tim. >>> >>> The one thing that nags at me regarding the electric vehicles is how much >>> >> gas/coal/oil has to be burned to produce the electricity to charge or run >> them? >> >>> I never see this in the information, and I think it's a very relevant >>> >> aspect of the whole electric vehicle thing. >> >>> Dan >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: Tim C <bb...@crone.us> >>> To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> >>> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 8:34 AM >>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] The "Dirty Little Secret Behind the Chevy VOLT".... >>> >>> More than that, the "anemic" sales of the Volt are clearly due to supply >>> issues, since dealers don't have them in stock and can't get them. The >>> >> Leaf >> >>> is having similar issues. I suspect part of it, like was done with the >>> early hybrids, is limiting supply so as to work bugs out with committed >>> early adopters. >>> >>> For what it's worth I have trouble seeing the Volt called an electric >>> vehicle; it is a hybrid just like my Escape, except it has a night plug >>> >> for >> >>> precharging the battery, and is built to Chevrolet (versus FORD :) >>> standards. >>> >>> I am not a fan of the idea that all cars should have the same propulsion >>> system. Some are better suited to certain things, for example I don't >>> >> think >> >>> many in this forum will argue that diesels are the best choice for short >>> trips around town, or drag racing, but I am pretty sure many of us agree >>> that diesels are the best for distance and highway travel. Electric >>> vehicles have been in use for more than a century, and among other things >>> make good delivery vehicles, and are common for low-speed or >>> >> fixed-location >> >>> applications already. I don't get why the same folks who curse >>> >> California >> >>> for banning diesels get upset that battery cars are going into >>> >> production. >> >>> I am not arguing that the government -should- be subsidizing the cost of >>> >> the >> >>> cars, but I can see the argument that it is only making up for the >>> >> support >> >>> for oil, ethanol, and to a lesser degree biodiesel production. >>> >>> Best, >>> Tim >>> who killed the electric car (purchase because it is too expensive, for >>> >> now) >> >>> On Jun 18, 2011 9:46 PM, "Jaime Kopchinski" <jaime...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> _______________________________________ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> _______________________________________ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > _______________________________________ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > _______________________________________ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
