I didn't know that, but the bug was quickly remade into the Kubelwagen (a jeep essentially)...it saw wide service (aka the THING, when it came to the US). An amphibious version was the schwimmwagen and a special 4WD with huge tire version for SS officers was called the Kommander?-Wagen. One of Hitlers first acts as Chancellor was a visit to the Berlin auto show where he scolded the German car industry for building the best cars in the world, but not a practical one that the average German could afford. He compared ownership rates to the US. Porsche eventually visited Ford (awarded the highest medal a foreigner ever received from the Reich for his help in increasing industrial production in Germany - his views on Jews dove-tailed with the Nazis, yet he helped to send tanks to the Soviets later...capitalist!) to learn about cheap mass production. Hitler promoted racing by heavily funding both MB and Auto Union (if you're the master race, you need to win - and they did). The result was the VW plant at KdF Stadt (now Wolfsburg)...the car was built under a Nazi agency: Kraft durch Freude (Strength through Joy) and, IMO, it was a great thing. VERY cheap cruises, trips, and all sorts of programs to raise the general wllbeing of the working class. VW was a state owned plant/project integrated into this agency's mission. Nto to be confused with the RAD (Reich Arbeiter Deinst), which was similiar to our WPA, also a good thing, IMO. I WOULD like to know more about the rear-engine, air-cooled MB's of the era. Saw a picture of 1 once. It was NOT a VW built at Untertuerkheim, but MB's own design - yet similar from the outside. Also interesting is the story of an American GI who became friends with a top MB executive right after the war. I forget the names of both. THe German liked to hunt, but was not allowed to have guns and the GI had the guns. They hit it off. THe GI was hired at MB as an exec...went home to the US to gather his stuff and moved back to Germany and worked as an MB exec for decades. Interesting story. Chris Chris
Alex Chamberlain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 11/29/05, Christopher McCann wrote: > Hitler gave directions to Porsche on basic design elements of the > KdF-Wagen.. > one being the shape, another being the seating capacity, another being the > fuel economy. Another being, legend has it, that it be able to run in any climate found in the Third Reich, once the Nazis had won the war---from North Africa to Siberia. Hence air-cooling, since cooling systems in '30s watercooled cars, before modern antifreeze formulations, tended to either freeze or boil over at the drop of a hat. 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From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Nov 30 14:16:50 2005 Received: from solanne.parasun.net ([204.174.16.15]) by server1.arterytc1.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EhSlN-0008IF-Oc for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:16:50 +0000 Received: from [24.39.222.124] (helo=yoursz6x6sefxo) by solanne.parasun.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EhSlB-00064S-A8 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 06:16:41 -0800 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> From: "Mike Canfield" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes mailing list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]><[EMAIL PROTECTED]><[EMAIL PROTECTED]><[EMAIL PROTECTED]><[EMAIL PROTECTED]><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 09:16:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Concealed Carry, was Global warming X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Id: Mercedes mailing list <mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net> List-Unsubscribe: <http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Archive: <http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net> List-Post: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Help: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Subscribe: <http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:16:50 -0000 Gary, I apologize if I offended you in my previous post but I wouldn't even THINK about getting on my PC and typing before at least doing a THOROUGH search for the missing firearm. I am not being hysterical and you shouldn't either. Also, the ease of purchase of an AK in GA means nothing. Yours is gone and if it kills someone and can be proven to be yours YOU are responsible for that either morally or legally. If some"criminal" took your rifle then why only that one? Are you sure you put it back in the trunk before you left where you were shooting? If your trunk was locked and you put the gun in there who had access to your keys? My 123 240D trunk unlocked with the door locks.....Does yours do that? Don't know about you but it sounds like a kid wanting to have something to show off to his buddies if it actually is missing. He wouldn't care about, or probably notice, the lack of ammo or a mag but the "HEY LOOK GUYS...CHECK OUT WHAT I GOT!!" factor of an AK-47 assault rifle to a teen could make snagging one out of some guys trunk a pretty tempting thought. As for the urgency of the situation IF it is missing and IF the thief has ammo and IF he knows where you live and that you have more unloaded weapons and IF just your wife or kid is home and IF he wants to steel more guns and IF someone startles him and IF your family member gets shot and IF they die............You get the point about all of the IF's in your statement? And what IF you called the cops and they found the kid before all of this happened? I know all of that is unlikely but ALOT of UNLIKELY things seem to happen in the oddest of places in our world these days..........I would be terrified if one of my rifles were to come up missing! Just the thought of someone getting killed because I should have paid more attention to my firearm would be devastating to me. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Hurst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes mailing list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 5:27 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Concealed Carry, was Global warming well, i've never lost a gun before, so i really wasn't sure what the standard procedure is. it wasn't loaded so some kid would have trouble shooting someone with it. it has no magazine either. granted, all of that could be simply remedied but it would make it less likely that some kid would kill someone with it. more likely, i'd think, it was sold to criminals on the cheap if it was taken. these weapons are relatively easy to acquire in the state of georgia. anyone can go to any gun show and buy one. I bought mine in a parking lot of a crowded publix supermarket on a saturday afternoon from a gun nut with a van full of "assault rifles". this transaction took place in plain site of not only shoppers, but also a police cruiser on patrol. Buying an AK-47 is no big deal here. as for hte urgency of the situation, if hte gun is not actually out of my possession, no one can be killed by it. and if it is out of my possession, searching would not bring it back and prevent its use in a violent crime. I cannot help the situation much as my failure is not a present one, but the past failure of losing my weapon. As I have never been in this position before, I was asking more out of an interest in what protocol would be. my trunk was locked. i never have a firearm out of my immediate possession that is not locked. it is simply gone and i don't yet know how. right now i'm mostly trying to locate the serial number so i can report it missing. i'm not sure my attitude is all that "oh well.'' I am profoundly upset by this. It's a disgrace to have your firearm disappear on you and a serious breach of a shooter's unwritten code. losing your firearm is terrible thing the likes of which i never thought would happen to someone like me. I don't believe anyone will be killed or injured on account of this and, even if there is a risk of this happening, i don't believe that getting hysterical can do anything but further erode the situation. On 11/28/05, Mike Canfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Don't now about you folks but you seem to be taking a missing firearm very > lightly! Why on earth would you have to ask a freakin discussion list > about > cars if they thought a missing firearm is serious or not? Suppose some > KID > has stolen it......WHAT THEN? Should you have waited to AT LEAST GET OFF > YOUR ASS IN FRONT OF YOUR PC AND LOOK FOR THE DAMN GUN BEFORE SOMEONE GETS > KILLED?????? I can't believe you would leave the trunk unlocked either! > Sorry for the offensive post but the "OH WELL" attitude on this post > sucks! > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gary Hurst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Mercedes mailing list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 1:35 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Concealed Carry, was Global warming > > > exactly. there were 8 guns in the trunk. one is not there. could have > fallen under something. it is a 35 year old car. will have to make a > more > serious search for it > > On 11/28/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Doesn't it seem odd that only the AK would be missing? I'm assuming if > > someone grabbed it they could have grabbed some others at the same time? > > Maybe it's there under something or you put it somewhere else? > > > > Sincerely, > > Larry T (78 240D) > > > > A Blood Test for your oil - www.youroil.net > > For Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil > > Weber Carb Stuff http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs > > http://members.rennlist.com/my_911/Index.htm For my Paint Job Info > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Gary Hurst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "Mercedes mailing list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 8:23 PM > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Concealed Carry, was Global warming > > > > > > yeah, this is an interesting point which is covered, i believe, in the > > current NRA magazine. There is some general 21 foot law enforcement > rule > > for shooting a guy brandishing a knife. while it would take me 2 weeks > to > > get to you from 21 feet, it took knife attackers under 1.5 seconds. > > > > As i'm an idiot, my initial reaction to this was to go online and look > at > > knives to buy. > > > > on a more serious note, my chinese AK is missing. I remember putting it > > in > > the trunk for my trip to NC this weekend, but I did not see it (did see > > all > > the other guns, however) when i opened the trunk. At what point if any > am > > i > > morally or legally responsible to report this loss to the > authorities? I > > am > > horribly embarrassed by this and am still working under the presumption > > that > > it will "show up" some time soon, but i am getting a bit nervous that it > > wasn't in it's regular gun case when i came home a few minutes ago. > > > > > > On 11/27/05, Christopher McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > During PP (personal protection) class, we did an excellent drill. Two > > > people stand on the firing line. One person facing the target with > > their > > > pistol sitting on a chair. THe second person stands next to them, but > > > facing AWAY from the firing line. THe range officer yells "GO" and > the > > > person facing the target picks up the weapons and shoots...meanwhile > > the > > > other person runs full speed in the other direction and STOPS when > the > > > shot > > > is heard. > > > > > > THe point - you can make it 25 feet in that time frame. As a SWAT > > > team acquantance said. If there is a man on the other side of the > > > living room threatening you with a knife, you better shoot > quick...and > > > you might/probably still get stabbed. > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > Royce Engler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: That reminds me of the > > > following... > > > > > > SITUATIONAL ISSUE: You're walking down a deserted street with your > wife > > > and > > > two small children. Suddenly, a dangerous looking man with a huge > knife > > > comes around the corner, locks eyes with you, screams obscenities, > > raises > > > the knife and charges. You are carrying a Glock .40 and you are an > > expert > > > shot. You have mere seconds before he reaches you and your > > family. What > > > do > > > you do? > > > > > > LIBERAL ANSWER: > > > Well, that's not enough information to answer the question! Does the > > man > > > look poor and oppressed? Have I ever done anything to him that would > > > inspire him to attack? Can we run away? What does my wife > think? What > > > about the kids? Could I possibly swing my gun like a club and knock > the > > > knife out of his hand? What does the law say about this > > situation? Does > > > the Glock have an appropriate safety build into it? Why am I carrying > a > > > loaded gun and what kind of message does it send to society and my > > > children? > > > Is it possible that he'd would be happy just killing me? Does he > > > definitely > > > want to kill me or would he just be content to wound me? If I grab > his > > > knees and hold on, could my family get away while he is stabbing > > me? This > > > is all so confusing! I need to debate this with some friends for a > few > > > days > > > to try to come to a conclusion. > > > > > > CONSERVATIVE ANSWER: > > > BANG! > > > > > > TEXAN ANSWER: > > > BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! > > > click....(Sounds of reloading) > > > Wife: "Sweetheart, he looks like he is still moving, what do you kids > > > think?" > > > Son: "Mom's right, Dad, I saw it too." > > > BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! > > > Click. > > > Daughter: "Nice group, Daddy! Where those the Winchester Silver > Tips?" > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: redghost [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 10:51 PM > > > To: Mercedes mailing list > > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Global warming > > > > > > > > > If you carry concealed, you better be ready to use if you draw. Last > > > week some idiot kid decided to shoot up a local mall. Had an AK and > > > side arm. There was a fellow shopping with his family carrying > > > concealed. Idiot drew on the shooter, but spoke, instead of pulling > > > the trigger. He is just now getting out of ICU with probability of > > > severe brain damage. I suspect he had that prior to the bullets > > > hitting. > > > > > > On Saturday, November 26, 2005, at 03:37 PM, > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri > > > -2005 Blue Point Siamese, "Rose" > > > -1987 300TD, 150K, "Rotkäppchen" > > > -1985 300SD, 209K, "Wulf" > > > -1976 240D, ?K, "AKP-Wagen" (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen) > > > -1972 Jacobsen 21" Turbo Vent > > > -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, 12HP Kohler, 38" deck, Snowcaster, "One > Banger" > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. 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