If New Jersey wants to rebuild its shore with its own money its fine with me. I lived in New Jersey for over 20 years.
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 11:22 AM, Jaime Kopchinski <jaime...@gmail.com>wrote: > I'm surprised you seem to have so much hate and disgust for the Jersey > shore. You've been there? How about the rest of our state? What makes > you think we should not be supported by our government during a time of > catastrophe like any other part of the country? > > Jaime > > > > On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Brian Toscano <brian.tosc...@gmail.com > >wrote: > > > The only LUST is by New Jersey government to make sure they have their > > hands in everyone's pocket. They'll make you spend tens of thousands of > > dollars for a cup of heating oil. But foolishly allow development on the > > beach and then demand billions in federal aid when a storm rolls through. > > The Jersey shore and the rest of that state can rot in hell as far as > I'm > > concerned. > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 9:50 AM, Andrew Strasfogel < > astrasfo...@gmail.com > > >wrote: > > > > > This is called LUST > > > > > > Leaking Underground Storage Tanks > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 11:36 AM, Jaime Kopchinski <jaime...@gmail.com > > > > > wrote: > > > > I don't know for sure, but the township might have records of these > > kinds > > > > of things. And there are other clues... if there is a newer tank in > the > > > > basement, where was the old one, for example. I think he had a small > > > patch > > > > in the driveway where they worked on the tank, so that probably gave > it > > > > away. > > > > > > > > Plus, its common to do a tank scan now with a special metal detector. > > We > > > > just sold our house and the buyer requested one. Our house was > heated > > by > > > > natural gas, but was built in 1937. There was no evidence of oil > > having > > > > been used, or not used, so a scan was the final call. It was quite a > > > > relief when we passed the test! > > > > > > > > Jaime > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 11:30 AM, Brian Toscano < > > brian.tosc...@gmail.com > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > >> Jaime, > > > >> > > > >> How did they discover the tank and the leak? Disclosure - has there > > > ever > > > >> been an underground oil tank? > > > >> > > > >> I am wondering because I will one day be dealing with a tank that > > pumped > > > >> and filled with sand. That tank is under a concrete slab/front > porch. > > > The > > > >> house was converted to natural gas 20 years ago. > > > >> > > > >> On Tuesday, January 29, 2013, Jaime Kopchinski wrote: > > > >> > > > >> > Underground heating oil tanks are very common here in northern New > > > Jersey > > > >> > where many houses were built from the 1920s-50s. In many cases, > > there > > > >> was > > > >> > no natural gas service available and oil was the best solution. > > > Slowly, > > > >> > all these houses have had their tanks removed. Lucky ones remove > > them > > > >> > without any event. Unlucky ones have a leaking tank that turns > into > > > an > > > >> > environmental disaster. Its enough of a problem here that you can > > > get an > > > >> > insurance policy to protect yourself. > > > >> > > > > >> > We are house shopping now and any house with an underground tank > is > > a > > > big > > > >> > red flag. To buy such a house, its common to request the tank to > be > > > >> > removed as a condition of sale. > > > >> > > > > >> > My neighbor in my old neighborhood got really screwed. He had the > > > tank > > > >> > pumped and filled with sand, as was the common practice 10-15 > years > > > ago. > > > >> > He passed away and the family tried to sell the house. They can't > > > find > > > >> any > > > >> > documentation about what was done to the tank. An inspection > showed > > > the > > > >> > soil around the tank was contaminated. The sale fell threw, and > now > > > the > > > >> > house is in foreclosure because the family just can't deal with > the > > > >> bills. > > > >> > The tank is under the driveway and on the properly line of the > > > neighbors. > > > >> > The property is probably 60 ft wide... extracting the contaminated > > > soil > > > >> > involves pulling up two driveways, working against the foundation > of > > > >> > houses, etc. Its a real shame, the house is just beautiful. But > > its > > > >> been > > > >> > vacant for two years now and its deteriorating fast. > > > >> > > > > >> > Jaime > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 10:36 AM, Curt Raymond < > > curtlud...@yahoo.com > > > >> <javascript:;>> > > > >> > wrote: > > > >> > > > > >> > > No basements in Alaska? > > > >> > > > > > >> > > In New England most oil tanks live in the basement, no problems > > with > > > >> fuel > > > >> > > gelling. The folks who have their tanks outside generally live > in > > > >> > > trailers... > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > -Curt > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 20:21:04 -0800 > > > >> > > From: clay monroe <redgh...@comcast.net <javascript:;>> > > > >> > > To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com > <javascript:;>> > > > >> > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues > > > >> > > Message-ID: <832b9524-ae4a-4ebc-87d0-85196c15f...@comcast.net > > > >> <javascript:;> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > >> > > > > > >> > > A proportion of the NE heats with Citgo and that is underwritten > > by > > > our > > > >> > > buddy Hugo Chavez. When he dies, that subsidy goes away. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > There is no great use of heating oil in Alaska that I am aware > of. > > > Too > > > >> > > much freeze to allow it to flow and severe enviro-weenie > > regulations > > > >> that > > > >> > > do not allow it to be stored under ground anyway. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > clay > > > >> > > > > > >> > > On Jan 26, 2013, at 5:51 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > You forget oil. Much of the northeast heats with oil. > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > In older houses here hydronic is pretty common, usually in the > > > form > > > >> of > > > >> > > baseboard hot water though theres still a fair amount of steam > > > around. > > > >> > Its > > > >> > > much easier to add (like in my house) baseboard than to run > ducts > > > for > > > >> hot > > > >> > > air. > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > -Curt > > > >> > > > > > >> > > _______________________________________ > > > >> > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > >> > > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > > > >> > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > >> > > > > > >> > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > >> > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > -- > > > >> > Jaime Kopchinski > > > >> > http://www.jaimekop.com/ > > > >> > _______________________________________ > > > >> > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > >> > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > > > >> > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > >> > > > > >> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > >> > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > >> > > > > >> _______________________________________ > > > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > > > >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > > > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > >> > > > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Jaime Kopchinski > > > > http://www.jaimekop.com/ > > > > _______________________________________ > > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > _______________________________________ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > -- > Jaime Kopchinski > http://www.jaimekop.com/ > _______________________________________ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > _______________________________________ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
