Thanks for that link Archer - IMO that's the kind of investigative reporting that has been lost as more and more newspapers close their doors. TV just will not spend the spend the time to properly report on a serious problem like this. Also, again IMO, people don't absorb information that must use lots of numbers to illustrate their points when it is offered in video format. There's nothing like reading a old fashioned newspaper.

Personally, i am unable to absorb and retain information I read on a computer screen. i have been told by others it's because of the lighting or possibly the other activity going on elsewhere on the sides or bottom of the screen.

Back to the article on hospitals and the outrageous fees they charge. Wow! $32,000 to walk through the door? and the hospitals cannot provide a line by line backup for that total? Outrageous to say the least.

And in the end those with insurance pay 1/3 (at least the insurance does) while the uninsured pays the full bill if possible.

Sincerely,
Larry

On 3/17/2014 6:28 AM, [email protected] wrote:
It's not just the insurance companies, it's also various hospitals.
For example, Florida and a number of other states have declared select hospitals as "trauma centers" where accident and other injury cases are taken. If you had an accident, were taken to a Florida "trauma center", and were billed $32,000 before any medical professional had even taken your blood pressure, you would think a mistake had been made. Not so. Here's a description of what's going on:

http://www.tampabay.com/news/health/florida-trauma-centers-charge-outrageous-fees-the-moment-you-come-through/2169148

On 3/16/2014 4:11 PM, Larry T wrote:
......I just don't see how people can absorb the much higher premiums we keep hearing about. Not just hundreds more dollars, but thousands more - sometimes ten's of thousands more $$'s People cannot take those kinds of hits without consequences. It'll be interesting as more and more are dropped from existing insurance.

I also wonder what is _/not /_being reported on by the main stream news networks - like the election last week where a republican won and not a single MSN network mentioned it! Not one of the big 3! Well they used to be the big 3.

We'll see.

Sincerely,
Larry

On 3/16/2014 3:01 AM, Gary Hurst wrote:
it's all such stupid talk. yes, they are all going to quit medicine and join the pro bowlers tour. people need to stfu with the stupid already, no?

things change.  people adapt.  that's all there is

i thank you for your reference to similar talk with medicare, gerry


On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 2:45 AM, [email protected] <
[email protected]> wrote:

We went through that when Medicare began. Docs were supposed to retire or change professions en masse. Didn't happen. Some tried refusing Medicare
patients. That didn't work either.
The young generations attitudes are different than ours, just as they
nearly always are.
For example, I told a young urology resident that he ought to open an
office in Citrus County, Florida where I live; that there is a big demand there because of all the retirees. He said no, that he was going to work for an (HMO?) since private medicine was on the way out; that he looked forward to having a regular income without the hassle of private medicine. His father is a private MD so his choice seems to be based on a thorough
knowledge of private medicine.
Gerry



On 3/15/2014 2:12 PM, Scott Ritchey wrote:

I think the next shoe to drop will be an exodus of US medical
professionals.
My dermatologist (only one in town) told me he was retiring on 1 Oct.
because all the medical coding was changing on that date. He is about 68
(I
think) and said it isn't worthy the grief and cost of converting to the
new
system since he only planned to practice another few years. He said he'd have to hire additional people just to handle the new requirements and it just wasn't worth it. I expect the older medicos will leave first (you know, the ones that can actually diagnose problems); new doctor training will gradually collapse as med students realize they will never be able to repay education loans at government reimbursement rates. Finally, mid age physicians who are still solvent will age out of the system. Then what? Draft a national medical corps with all-government training and salary?

Maybe some of the folks on this list with first-hand involvement have
perspective.

  -----Original Message-----
From: clay
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2014 11:28 PM

https://www.youtube.com/embed/dYslhL71k1M?rel=0

Maybe the economy would have perked up if more attention had been put to making sure apartment building did not explode, bridges fall down, planes go missing, than getting some poor folk insurance plans that doctors will
not accept.

clay


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