Rednecks, all of ya:) Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 29, 2014, at 2:01 PM, G Mann via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> > wrote: > > Dan, > > I am not the end all of knowledge, so I defer to any and all greater and > better informed to answer your question. > > My understanding for on line sales which involve interstate movement of > the gun sold, or any "non-personal contact" requires the gun to be sent to > a FFL licensed dealer, and the actual transfer then happens under the FFL > dealers license, which DOES require a background check and all the BATFE > required Federal Forms to be filled out and signed, etc etc etc.. > > Legally, under present law, I can not ship you a gun. I can however ship > one to myself, subject to all the state and federal laws that may apply > both in the state I am legally in when I ship, and the state I am legally > in when I receive my own weapon. Complicated? yes. > > I suggest you become acquainted with a writer by name of Alan Korwin > [friend of mine] [ http://www.gunlaws.com/ ] who specializes in writing > books that address gun laws as they apply in different states and federal > laws. > > If ignorance is bliss, prisons must be a blissful place. Be wise, be > knowledgeable, be legal, be responsible, be a gun owner.. in that order.. > is how I was taught. > > HTH, > > Grant... > > On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 10:36 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> I certainly don't want to wander into the political side of this >> discussion for obvious reasons, I'm just curious as to the mechanics of >> such things never having experienced them. >> >> If I understand you correctly, sales like those that take place online, >> such as you would see at gunbroker.com, are considered private sales? I >> realize they require someone with an FFL to receive the gun, but there is >> nothing in the way of a background check or anything like that taking place >> with these transactions, correct? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Dan >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>>> On Oct 29, 2014, at 12:44 PM, G Mann via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> That discussion will lead instantly to politics, so I would avoid it. >>> >>> At this date, private citizens may buy or sell freely, privately owned >>> items. Prudence however would indicate you protect yourself by asking for >>> some form of ID from the buyer, and a written bill of sale, which >> documents >>> the sale showing you no longer possess the weapon and it's legal transfer >>> of ownership on said date. Should the weapon be used for less than legal >>> purpose in future you can show proof it was not in your possession at >> that >>> time. >>> >>> This also protect the buyer, in that any claim the weapon was stolen can >> be >>> put to rest with a legally executed document of sale. [at least prove YOU >>> didn't steal it]. >>> >>> The term "gun show loop hole" is a handy 5 sec sound bite phrase used to >>> inflame both sides of the issue. IMHO, the moral equal to yelling "fire >> !" >>> in a crowded theater when there is no fire. >>> >>> If it's legally owned, it can be legally sold. If you buy and sell as a >>> commercial enterprise, you need a FFL and all the paperwork that comes >> with >>> it under current law, which is all that really counts, all emotions >> aside. >>> >>> A wise man knows the laws before the prosecutor files the charge against >>> him for inadvertently breaking one. >>> >>> Respectfully, >>> >>> Grant... >>> >>> On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 8:13 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes < >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I was curious as to how purchases work at gun shows. >>>> >>>> Depends upon who's selling. If seller has a FFL he has >>>> to obey all the checks, waiting periods, etc. If a >>>> private citizen, nothing. That's the infamous "loophole": >>>> private sales. Most of what you would see at a show is >>>> not privately held; none of what you would see at a >>>> store is. Private 'sales' covers a lot of ground in >>>> attempted legislation, things like family purchases, >>>> inheritance, gifts, loans, emergency situations, etc. >>>> The devil's usually in the details. >>>> >>>> -- Jim >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________ >>>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>>> >>>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>>> >>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>>> >>>> All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those >>>> individuals are responsible for the content of the post. 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