River Road Valero dropped again to $3.29!  When will the Madness end!  Long
live Madness!

On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 11:25 PM, G Mann via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com
> wrote:
>
> More than one station here has ULSD at $2.76 .... With supermarket fuel
> discount points card, I'm paying $2.46 at the pump...
>
> Projections for the crude oil futures market are looking at further drop in
> price possible.
>
> It appears that the increase in domestic oil production in USA has broken
> [for now] OPEC strangle hold on pricing.. [OK.. it's not that simple.. a
> number of international economic factors come to play.]
>
> Bottom line.. I will wear out my Mercedes with more miles driven and buy
> more parts at cheaper fuel prices..
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 8:07 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Passed an Exxon station with #2 ULSD for $2.99 earlier tonight.
> >
> > Let's hope that trend continues and spreads!
> >
> > Max Dillon,
> > Charleston SC
> >  On Dec 13, 2014 3:14 PM, "OK Don via Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > 1)
> > >
> > > So you think you are finally getting one over on the gas stations as
> you
> > > pay well under $3 a gallon for the first time in four years? Guess
> again.
> > >
> > > Gas stations love low prices too — and not just because customers are
> > nicer
> > > when they are paying less.
> > >
> > > "We're in the same shoes as the consumer, the cost of fuel is less for
> > us,"
> > > says Kevin Beyer, who owns Performance Fuels, a filling station and
> > > convenience store in Smithtown, NY.
> > >
> > > That means profits for Beyer and the nation's 127,000 filling stations
> > are
> > > rising.
> > >
> > > Before they sell gas to you, station owners buy gas on the wholesale
> > > market. When the wholesale price of gasoline falls quickly the
> difference
> > > between the cost of wholesale gasoline (including taxes) and the price
> at
> > > the pump gets wider, boosting profits for stations. The steeper the
> drop,
> > > the better.
> > >
> > > "It's completely antithetical to what people believe," says Tom Kloza,
> > > chief oil analyst at the Oil Price Information Service.
> > >
> > > That difference has stretched to 21.7 cents per gallon this year, the
> > > highest ever, according to an OPIS analysis of 16,000 U.S. stations.
> That
> > > compares to an average of 17.1 cents over the last five years. On a
> > > percentage basis, station profitability is at its highest since 2005.
> And
> > > profits on diesel sales are even higher. "They are off the charts,"
> Kloza
> > > says.
> > >
> > > Yes, that means you could be paying even less for gasoline than you
> are.
> > >
> > > But before you cry foul, you should know that after all the ups and
> downs
> > > in a year, gas stations do not make much money from selling gasoline.
> > After
> > > credit card fees and other operating costs, net profit for gasoline
> sales
> > > averages 3 cents a gallon, according the National Association of
> > > Convenience Stores.
> > >
> > > When gas prices soar, and drivers think they're being gouged, stations
> > are
> > > barely scraping by or even losing money. When the wholesale price is
> > > soaring, like it did in 2008, 2011 and 2012, station owners can't
> > increase
> > > the price at the pump as fast as their costs are going up or they risk
> > > losing customers to competitors.
> > >
> > > When the wholesale price is going down, like now, there isn't the same
> > > pressure to lower the price.
> > >
> > > Drivers are so happy to see lower prices they don't search all over
> town
> > > for the lowest one. And then when they put gas in the tank, they fill
> 'er
> > > up instead of just putting in a few dollars' worth.
> > >
> > > And drivers have some money left over to spend on what's really
> > profitable
> > > for station owners: The drinks and snacks inside.
> > >
> > > "As the pricing goes down, I don't see people shopping (for the
> cheapest
> > > price) as much as they do when it's going up," says Beyer. "They are
> > still
> > > feeling a relief at the pump."
> > >
> > > As a result, he adds, "People are more friendly."
> > >
> > > The national average price of gasoline has fallen 78 days in a row to
> > $2.60
> > > a gallon. That's 65 cents less than last year at this time and $1.10
> > below
> > > its peak for this year of $3.70, reached in April.
> > >
> > > Gas has fallen because the global price of crude oil has dropped 45
> > percent
> > > since this summer. The U.S., Canada and other countries are producing
> > more
> > > oil at time when world demand is weak because of sluggish economic
> > growth.
> > >
> > > This has drained profits and knocked down the share prices of oil
> > producers
> > > — the exploration and production divisions of the big oil companies
> such
> > as
> > > Exxon Mobil and Chevron, and companies such as ConocoPhillips and
> > Marathon
> > > Oil.
> > >
> > > Refiners, including refining divisions of the big oil companies and
> > > refining-only companies such as Phillips 66 and Valero, have held up
> > > better. They benefit from lower crude costs, although they are also
> > > grappling with high fuel inventories.
> > >
> > > Gas station owners, though, are thrilled. The vast majority of stations
> > are
> > > owned by small independent operators, even if the sign out front says
> > > Exxon, BP or Shell. But shares of CST Brands, which owns Valero and
> > Corner
> > > Store filling stations are up 25 percent since mid-October.
> > >
> > > "The big inning (for gas stations), which started after Labor Day, is
> > going
> > > to extend through Christmas," Kloza says.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/smallbusiness/like-low-gas-prices-so-does-the-station-owner/ar-BBgHZop
> > >
> > >
> > > 2)  What Really Caused Oil Prices to Plunge So Far -- So Quickly
> > >
> > > The 35% drop in oil prices
> > > <
> > >
> >
> http://www.thestreet.com/story/12983324/1/low-oil-prices-hits-some-countries-worse-than-others-moodys-finds.html
> > > >
> > > this fall has been breathtaking. No one -- not even energy experts --
> > > expected prices to fall this far, this quickly. And the slide doesn't
> > seem
> > > to be over.
> > >
> > > What happened? True, the U.S. has nearly doubled its oil production
> over
> > > the past five years, while OPEC
> > > <
> > >
> >
> http://www.thestreet.com/story/12969239/1/how-opecs-plan-to-undercut-us-oil-production-may-have-backfired.html
> > > >and
> > > other suppliers have been unwilling to cut back on production. Demand
> has
> > > also been softening. But that still doesn't explain why prices suddenly
> > > fell off a cliff.
> > >
> > > The answer seems to have less to do with supply and demand and more to
> do
> > > with how oil is traded. In short, the slide in oil prices appears to be
> > > mainly *investor-related, *not based on fundamentals. For that reason,
> > oil
> > > prices could rebound just as quickly and violently as they fell.
> > >
> > > Here's what may have happened. As oil prices began falling this summer,
> > an
> > > increased number of traders and other big investors appears to have bet
> > > that prices would bottom, especially in October as evidenced by record
> > > energy options contracts traded on the CME, the large options and
> futures
> > > exchange. When that didn't happen -- in part because of the
> strengthening
> > > dollar
> > > <
> > >
> >
> http://www.thestreet.com/story/12926877/1/the-blessing-and-burden-of-a-strong-dollar.html
> > > >
> > > -- these investors found themselves on the wrong side of a very
> dangerous
> > > trade.
> > >
> > > Exposed to even bigger losses, they had to get out quickly. It's what
> is
> > > known in investing as trying to catch a falling knife. This rush to the
> > > exits only exaggerated the selloff in oil prices, which quickly spread
> > > to energy
> > > stocks
> > > <
> > >
> >
> http://www.thestreet.com/story/12981554/1/crude-oil-takes-no-prisoners-as-energy-selloff-tanks-sp-500.html
> > > >
> > > such as *ConocoPhillips* and *BP* and other related investments. We are
> > > still feeling the fallout.
> > >
> > > When will the carnage end? No one knows. But there are plenty of
> reasons
> > > why fundamentals may return soon and oil could start climbing again.
> > >
> > > For starters, 70% of all crude oil is used for transportation. Despite
> > the
> > > viability of *Tesla* and the electric car
> > > <
> > >
> >
> http://www.thestreet.com/story/10661761/1/electric-cars-that-speed-ahead-of-gas-guzzlers.html
> > > >,
> > > that industry is not yet challenging combustion engine vehicles as many
> > had
> > > hoped. So Americans are likely to keep driving gas-guzzling cars, which
> > > will help oil prices find support.
> > >
> > > Another reason is that the U.S. still gets more than 7 million
> > > <
> > http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/pet_move_impcus_a2_nus_epc0_im0_mbblpd_a.htm
> >
> > > barrels from overseas. There is still no clear substitute for crude oil
> > > despite efforts to begin tapping natural gas to power vehicles.
> Although
> > > natural gas is still a good idea, like electric vehicles, it still
> > largely
> > > lacks the widespread infrastructure needed to really challenge domestic
> > oil
> > > consumption.
> > >
> > > Then there's OPEC. The Saudis are no doubt indirectly trying to
> influence
> > > long-term U.S. demand for its oil. With that said, clearly they are
> > risking
> > > short-term price weakness for long-term gain. That suggests the
> downside
> > in
> > > crude oil is a buying opportunity for patient investors. Additionally,
> as
> > > mentioned here
> > > <
> > >
> >
> http://www.thestreet.com/story/12969203/1/heres-why-oil-prices-arent-likely-to-remain-low-for-long.html
> > > >
> > > last week, Iraq, Iran, Angola and Venezuela all wanted a cut at the
> last
> > > OPEC meeting. Therefore, compliance with production quotas should
> already
> > > be a concern for those looking to short oil.
> > >
> > > At the end of the day, the U.S. will still be using fossil fuels for
> the
> > > next 20 years. Sure, demand will likely weaken thanks to an increased
> > > appetite for alternative energy
> > > <
> > >
> >
> http://www.thestreet.com/story/11423844/1/top-10-alternative-energy-etfs.html
> > > >.
> > > But fossil fuels will continue to play a critical role in meeting our
> > > energy needs. So the recent collapse of oil prices is not likely to
> last
> > > long.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/what-really-caused-oil-prices-to-plunge-so-far-so-quickly/ar-BBgHLLg
> > >
> > > --
> > > OK Don
> > >
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> > >
> > > "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few
> > who
> > > learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric
> fence
> > > for themselves."
> > >
> > > WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
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