It’s probably been a couple of years since I bought t-shirts, so it’s very 
possible their prices have gone up - I need to look at that and see, as I could 
have unrealistic expectations of the current prices.  I was just really caught 
off guard when I went into Penney’s the other day.

My Dad had a tailor for years, and both my brother and I went to him until he 
passed.  He would measure you up, have you pick the fabric, and a week later 
you had your shirts.  Want more?  Just call and tell him what you want as far 
as fabric and he makes up more from your patterns.

My brother is a “big and tall” guy, and he often remarked that the term was 
simply a marketing ploy for retailers to increase the price of clothing another 
20%-30%.  For what it cost to have Nick make a shirt for him he would have been 
hard pressed to find something of the same quality off the rack, and that’s if 
it fit.

It’s tough to find someone with these skills any more.  I tried to find someone 
in Tampa like him, but no luck.  I didn’t want a high end men’s store tailor, I 
wanted some guy running his own operation who you could trust to take good care 
of you and give you good service.

Dan




> On Jun 12, 2015, at 5:11 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> Oh man, I wish I could find somebody to make shirts for me. I hate how light 
> most dress shirts are. They're good for the summer but I like a heavy shirt...
> American Apparel has t-shirts for $28 EACH, but they're made in the USA. Just 
> about every other shirt you might buy will be sending money overseas.
> The shirts I'm having made are American Apparel, their wholesale prices must 
> be fantastic if the screen printer can make them for me at $12.50 each with a 
> 2 color print. I'll be selling some for $20/ea and giving some away to 
> promote my YouTube show, Lantern Lab.
> -Curt
>      From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> To: Okie Benz <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> Cc: Dan Penoff <d...@penoff.com> 
> Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 5:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] hey WILTON
> 
> I was going to buy a week’s worth, which, at their prices, would have been 
> $56.
> 
> I’m not worried about it, I just know that the same shirts can be had for 
> less elsewhere.  If there was a local manufacturer I could buy them from, I 
> would gladly pay $7 a shirt (or more) to support them AND keep the money in 
> the community.  I routinely pay more for some products and services I buy 
> locally for just this reason.
> 
> I used to have my dress shirts made by a local tailor, for probably in the 
> neighborhood of $50-$75 a shirt.  Didn’t care about the price because Nick, 
> the little Greek guy who made them, lived in the same area.  I knew the money 
> I spent with him stayed right in my community and helped put his kids through 
> college.  Sadly, Nick passed away a few years ago and he had no successors 
> for the business.  I haven’t been able to find someone to replace him.
> 
> I’m not going to pay Dead Sam, who exploits its workers and sends our money 
> overseas.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 12, 2015, at 3:45 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Really, you're all worried about $7 a shirt? I'm having some shirts made and 
>> the cheap ones were $7.50 each (thats with 2 color screen printing) the made 
>> in USA American Apparel ones I'm getting are $12.50 each.
>> I would suggest that you maybe have a warped opinion on what the shirts 
>> should cost. Penny's has to make a little profit too...
>> Actually this is kind of whats wrong with America, how many shirts are you 
>> going to buy that it would cost "a small fortune"? What else would you do 
>> with the money? The cheapest means somebody doesn't get to eat. As much as I 
>> like Amazon for selling me weird stuff I can't find anywhere else I like 
>> buying from local companies so my neighbors have jobs.
>> -Curt
>>       From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
>> Cc: Dan Penoff <d...@penoff.com> 
>> Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 3:21 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] hey WILTON
>> 
>> Here's a weird one:
>> 
>> I wanted to buy some plain cotton t-shirts (undershirts). I don't want to 
>> give Dead Sam my money, so I notice that we had all these coupons from 
>> J.C.Penneys.
>> 
>> I pop into Penneys yesterday, go to the Men's department and locate the row 
>> of t-shirts.
>> 
>> OMG!!!
>> 
>> A package of four (4) Hanes or Fruit of the Loom t-shirts are $28.00!!!!
>> 
>> Even with the stupid 20% off, additional discount for Penneys card holders, 
>> etc., they would still be a small fortune.
>> 
>> I'm going to try Target this weekend. I will absolutely not give Dead Sam my 
>> money unless absolutely necessary.
>> 
>> Maybe I'll look at Amazon tonight, too.
>> 
>> Grrr.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 12, 2015, at 3:12 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Sadly, the failure was not mysterious.
>>> Target totally misjudged the Canadian market.
>>> They assumed that we were like the USA and would flock to Target once they 
>>> opened. They did not fully appreciate the foothold that WalMart already has 
>>> here.
>>> Apparently (it is not obvious to me but I don't spend much time in either 
>>> store so what do I know?) in the USA, Target is considered up-market from 
>>> WalMart.
>>> Target assumed that the middle class and up would abandon WalMart in favour 
>>> of Target.
>>> It did not happen. Target opened too many stores all at once and did not 
>>> have a supply network able to stock them. Their stores did not have enough 
>>> stock and much of what they did have was not of obvious quality.
>>> Many people went to Target once, looked around, and did not go back. I did 
>>> not even go once. My wife went, told me it was a lost cause, and did not go 
>>> back. I listened to her and did not bother to go there. I go to WalMart 
>>> around here about once a year. I go to a WalMart in Grand Forks ND several 
>>> times a year and mostly buy M1 oil.
>>> So, the MBA's who drove the Target bus into Canada were not doing their 
>>> homework and should have been fired for what they did.
>>> 
>>> RB
>>> 
>>>> On 12/06/2015 1:44 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>>>> Fedoras are for sale all over the place, big stores like Target (which of 
>>>> course you don't have since it mysteriously failed in CA) will have a big 
>>>> ole stack of 'em...
>>>> -Curt
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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