I think organic is a euphemism for ASBESTOS.

On Sat, Aug 8, 2015 at 10:42 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Are they free-range, renewable, ethically-produced pads?  Not all organic
> is equal!
>
> --R
>
>
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> On 8/8/15 1:02 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> FWIW:  I have never had ceramic pads on an MB.  ALL stop well, no
>> problems with fade, etc with the cheap or midrange pads.  The very cheapest
>> pads are ok, they just make your wheels dirtier.  Midrange are a little
>> less dirty for the wheels.
>>
>> OE on the MBs were organic or asbestos, depending on age. (pre 1990 MBs)
>> OE on the dogde were ceramic, so I used ceramic there.
>>
>>
>>
>> DO you want or care about clean wheels?
>>
>> Ceramic will keep your wheels cleaner.  I've had very good luck with
>> cheap pads from oreely.  They do make your wheels dirty.  I just clean and
>> paint the wheels every few years with a rattlecan. Unless you are driving
>> on a race track, the cheap (organic) pads work very well.  If you plan to
>> drag the brakes all the way down a mountain, they may fade, but I never
>> have any problem.
>>
>> Ceramic on the dogde van:  The anti skid accelerometer has been fubar
>> mostly since we got the van.  Most of the time the system turns itself off,
>> but sometimes the LF brake drags.  this ruins the discs and pads.  About 18
>> months ago I put new pads and rotors on; did the ceramic pad breakin stuff;
>> and they were wonderful.
>>
>> Unfortunately, i never figured out how to snip the purple wire somewhere
>> buried under the console that is said to disable the antiskid system.  So
>> the new rotors and pads are ruined.  I recently dug in to the console
>> innards and found the accelerometer.  I never found the purple wire, but I
>> unplugged the accelerometer, with the same effect.  Anti skid is now dead.
>> There are 2 fuses you can pull to disable, but it also kills the
>> speedometer, odometer and some other somewhat necessary systems. This is
>> all not really the fault of ceramic pads, but i don't think the cheap pads
>> would cause the rotor warping like these did.
>>
>> The whole deal of the special breakin procedure for the ceramic pads is
>> related to not warping the rotors and putting a glaze on the ceramic pad.
>>
>>
>> How do organic pads compare to ceramic?
>>> --
>>> Max Dillon
>>> Charleston SC
>>> '87 300TD
>>> '95 E300
>>>
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