Anybody else not getting all the emails from the list lately?At first I was 
just getting them out of order, seeing replies before the original posts. I 
never got Mitch's email but I got Andrew's reply.
To Mitch's post why would you want forced air heat, hydronic (forced hot water) 
requires only electricity to run the blower into the furnace. I can run our 
furnace off my 1200w generator...
"Real" off grid people heat with wood ;)
-Curt
 

      From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
 To: Mitch Haley <mi...@mitchellhaley.com>; Mercedes Discussion List 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
Cc: Andrew Strasfogel <astrasfo...@gmail.com>
 Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2016 11:33 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Solar FWIW
   
By British beer - it's meant to be drunk at room temperature.

On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 3:22 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
>
> > On January 10, 2016 at 2:59 PM Meade Dillon via Mercedes
> > <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I think very few homes that were designed and built to be on the
> electrical
> > grid will have any reasonable chance of going "off grid" without radical
> > lifestyle changes, like taking your dirty clothes to a laundry-mat,
> > hand-washing your dishes, and installing gas-powered stove-top / oven /
> > refrigerator, and burning something in the winter to keep the house warm.
>
> Most of the energy in laundry is hot water and drying.
> With a propane water heater and air-drying, a lot of modern high efficiency
> washers should work fine off grid.
> Staber makes DC powered horizontal axis washers that load from the top.
>
> SunFrost makes DC refrigerators, but they aren't really that much more
> efficient
> than the best Energy Star models these days.
> A little camper fridge can run on a couple of gallons of propane a week, I
> don't
> know how much a full sized one would cost to run.
>
> You'd definitely want LP cooking appliances and a wood stove or LP boiler,
> or at
> least a forced air furnace with a high efficiency variable speed blower.
>
> Mitch.
>
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